SAS Exchange Program?

[HisDisciple]

(I used the search button numerous times.) I have been curious to ask if the QPs still have an exchange program with the
British SAS.

I know that periodically they may work with them, But I was wondering if something exists that one could go through their selection?

Such as Beckwith's book example. It always seemed odd that they would allow him to go through SAS selection. That is why I am wondering if his book stretched the truth a little. I can't imagine someone from the Regiment attending the Q-Course for the full length of time, then finally, becoming able to assist in QP functions. I know it's totally different today from then, but I see it as a big NO in today's Q.

Thoughts?

[head]

Edited to add: Didn't realize this was under SF Questions, and since I am not vetted yet, shouldn't have responded as per forum rules, apologies and delete as necessary. -head

Without going into specifics about who is training who on what... as far as training foreign SOF, we definitely do...

http://news.soc.mil/releases/News%20...091014-04.html

RELEASE NUMBER: 091014-04
DATE POSTED: OCTOBER 14, 2009

PRESS RELEASE: International military students again eligible to earn the Special Forces Tab
FORT BRAGG, N.C. ( USASOC News Service, Oct. 14, 2009) – Officers and noncommissioned officers from foreign militaries will again be eligible to earn the coveted Special Forces Tab in a move by the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School to continue a long tradition of integrating allied partners into Green Beret training.

In the early 1960s, Brig. Gen. William P. Yarborough, who then commanded the U.S. Army Special Warfare Center, began a robust program of interaction with partner-nation militaries. The historical report of 1963 shows the Center and School hosted more than 1,100 international students from 54 countries in a variety of Special Operations training courses.

“The importance of these interactions with our partner nations, as established by General Yarborough, are as necessary today as they were almost fifty years ago and are the impetus of the reestablishment of this program,” said Maj. Gen. Thomas R. Csrnko, USAJFKSWCS commander. “Having our partners in the course will enhance interoperability, foster relationships and reinforce the importance of cross-cultural communications.”

“This January will see the return of our multinational partners to training alongside our U.S. students, and it’s not a moment too soon,” Csrnko said. “The interaction and interoperability that we get with our foreign partners is powerful, both for our Soldiers and the allied students that we will host from across the globe.”

“Rejoining our allies in a single Special Forces Qualification Course is a logical extension of operational lessons and the basic principle to train like one fights,” said Col. Curtis Boyd, USAJFKSWCS Chief of Staff.

Studies of operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere have indicated allied partnerships and coalitions are indispensible to disrupting transnational terrorism and fostering democracy, said Boyd. U.S. and allied special operations forces have demonstrated their value and integral role in Irregular Warfare.

The Special Forces Qualification Course will provide opportunities for six international officers and six international NCOs to attend training four times per year, totaling 48 training slots per year. Partner nation students will forego the first two phases of SFQC – Special Forces Assessment and Selection and language training – but will be required to meet all of the same standards in the remaining four phases set for U.S. Soldiers to earn the Special Forces Tab.

In late 2005, the Center and School modified the SFQC and since January 2006, allied officers and NCOs have received specialized training at USAJFKSWCS in a separate International Special Forces Training Course, which trained and tested many of the core Army Special Forces tasks, but did not offer the same training as U.S. Soldiers received, and did not award the Special Forces Tab.

[f50lrrp]

Beckwith and Dick Meadows both were seconded to the SAS. Meadows actually was operational and commanded a unit in Malasia.

[HisDisciple]

Originally Posted by head

Without going into specifics about who is training who on what... as far as training foreign SOF, we definitely do...

http://news.soc.mil/releases/News%20...091014-04.html

RELEASE NUMBER: 091014-04
DATE POSTED: OCTOBER 14, 2009

PRESS RELEASE: International military students again eligible to earn the Special Forces Tab
FORT BRAGG, N.C. ( USASOC News Service, Oct. 14, 2009) – Officers and noncommissioned officers from foreign militaries will again be eligible to earn the coveted Special Forces Tab in a move by the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School to continue a long tradition of integrating allied partners into Green Beret training.

In the early 1960s, Brig. Gen. William P. Yarborough, who then commanded the U.S. Army Special Warfare Center, began a robust program of interaction with partner-nation militaries. The historical report of 1963 shows the Center and School hosted more than 1,100 international students from 54 countries in a variety of Special Operations training courses.

“The importance of these interactions with our partner nations, as established by General Yarborough, are as necessary today as they were almost fifty years ago and are the impetus of the reestablishment of this program,” said Maj. Gen. Thomas R. Csrnko, USAJFKSWCS commander. “Having our partners in the course will enhance interoperability, foster relationships and reinforce the importance of cross-cultural communications.”

“This January will see the return of our multinational partners to training alongside our U.S. students, and it’s not a moment too soon,” Csrnko said. “The interaction and interoperability that we get with our foreign partners is powerful, both for our Soldiers and the allied students that we will host from across the globe.”

“Rejoining our allies in a single Special Forces Qualification Course is a logical extension of operational lessons and the basic principle to train like one fights,” said Col. Curtis Boyd, USAJFKSWCS Chief of Staff.

Studies of operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere have indicated allied partnerships and coalitions are indispensible to disrupting transnational terrorism and fostering democracy, said Boyd. U.S. and allied special operations forces have demonstrated their value and integral role in Irregular Warfare.

The Special Forces Qualification Course will provide opportunities for six international officers and six international NCOs to attend training four times per year, totaling 48 training slots per year. Partner nation students will forego the first two phases of SFQC – Special Forces Assessment and Selection and language training – but will be required to meet all of the same standards in the remaining four phases set for U.S. Soldiers to earn the Special Forces Tab.

In late 2005, the Center and School modified the SFQC and since January 2006, allied officers and NCOs have received specialized training at USAJFKSWCS in a separate International Special Forces Training Course, which trained and tested many of the core Army Special Forces tasks, but did not offer the same training as U.S. Soldiers received, and did not award the Special Forces Tab.

Wow, thats interesting... now if QPs are also eligible for the "Regiment's" tan beret.

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by HisDisciple

Wow, thats interesting... now if QPs are also eligible for the "Regiment's" tan beret.

If you want to wear a colored hat, your stay in the Pipe Line maybe short lived. Read more, post less.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by HisDisciple

...I can't imagine someone from the Regiment attending the Q-Course for the full length of time, then finally, becoming able to assist in QP functions...

You should do more reading and less imagining.

Originally Posted by blue02hd

If you want to wear a colored hat, your stay in the Pipe Line maybe short lived. Read more, post less.

Well said Blue -

My uncle was in the Philippines, (WWII) and stayed hidden from the Japanese after the fall, guerrilla type, he wore a Cowboy hat.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Well said Blue -

My uncle was in the Philippines, (WWII) and stayed hidden from the Japanese after the fall, guerrilla type, he wore a Cowboy hat.

Tain't the hat, 'tis the head!

[Stras]

Originally Posted by blue02hd

If you want to wear a colored hat, your stay in the Pipe Line maybe short lived. Read more, post less.

why don't you go see the Air Force for a job.... They have lots of different beret colors that you can choose from. You may even qualify as an Air Force SF guy.....

Young man, it ain't about the hat..... It's about what you do when you are assigned to those units.

[HisDisciple]

Understood.

My intent on the question of this thread was if the QPs could go through SAS selection today and vice versa. The question arose from reading Beckwith's book. I knew the QPs would know the answer, so I asked.

I didn’t want any colored hat, I was just referencing the SAS when I said tan beret. I don't care for any article of cloth; it's what I do in this body that truly counts. I apologize if I came off as a young arrogant ribbon chaser.

Originally Posted by HisDisciple

Understood.

My intent on the question of this thread was if the QPs could go through SAS selection today and vice versa. The question arose from reading Beckwith's book. I knew the QPs would know the answer, so I asked.

I didn’t want any colored hat, I was just referencing the SAS when I said tan beret. I don't care for any article of cloth; it's what I do in this body that truly counts. I apologize if I came off as a young arrogant ribbon chaser.

Apology accepted.

But to answer your question. After 5th Grp left SEA, it was a large group without a mission, or at least a scaled down mission. America was needing a unit specically designed for Anti-Terrorism. The concept for Delta was long in making. Command selected the few who could learn and teach current doctrine, as known to the Brits and their experiences in Israel, Morrocco and elsewhere.

The canidates, perfect examples of those who put the needs of the Army above their own. Meadows, for years taught at Bragg long after his retirement. Few here were lucky enough to have known him.