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Old 12-08-2009, 14:35   #1
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Obama wants “non-religious Christmas”?

Obama wanted “non-religious Christmas”?
7 December 2009
FOX News
Todd Starnes

President Obama and the First Family were planning a “non-religious Christmas,” according to Social Secretary Desiree Rogers. Ms. Rogers reportedly told a gathering of former social secretaries that the Obamas did not intend on putting the Nativity scene on display – a longtime East Room tradition.

The account was reported in the Fashion and Style section of The New York Times. The White House confirmed to the Times that there had been internal discussions about making Christmas more inclusive – but in the end – tradition won out – and the Nativity scene is once again in its traditional East Room spot.

I just received an email response from the White House for comment.
Here’s what the First Lady’s office says:

“It has been a part of White House Christmas decorations in the past, it is on display in the East Room for all to enjoy and it will continue to be a part of White House Christmas decorations moving forward.”

“The President spoke movingly about the scene the crèche depicts in his remarks at the lighting of the National Christmas Tree last week: Tonight, we celebrate a story that is as beautiful as it is simple. The story of a child born far from home to parents guided only by faith, but who would ultimately spread a message that has endured for more than 2,000 years – that no matter who we are or where we are from, we are each called to love one another as brother and sister. While this story may be a Christian one, its lesson is universal. It speaks to the hope we share as a people. And it represents a tradition that we celebrate as a country – a tradition that has come to represent more than any one holiday or religion, but a season of brotherhood and generosity to our fellow citizens.”

As for whether there had been discussions about “inclusiveness,” the White House replied, “Discussions about inclusiveness did not include whether or not to display it but rather how to display it during the Hannukah party.”

Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, accused the president of trying to “neuter” Christmas.

“Unlike almost all Americans—including atheists—the Obamas do not give their children Christmas gifts. We know this because Barack bragged about this last year to People magazine. So it should come as no big surprise that he and his wife would like to neuter Christmas in the White House. That’s their natural step—to ban the public display of Christian symbols. Have any doubts? Last April, Georgetown University was ordered to put a drape over the name of Jesus as a condition of the president speaking there.

If the Obamas want to deprive their children of celebrating Christmas, that is their business. It is the business of the public to hold them accountable for the way they celebrate Christmas in the White House. We know one thing for sure: no other administration ever entertained internal discussions on whether to display a nativity scene in the White House.”

In related Christmas controversy:

The United Nations has banned Christmas trees from its global climate summit. Officials said the UN must remain religion-neutral.

In Ashland, OR, students at Bellview Elementary School erected a “giving tree.” The tree featured tags soliciting Christmas gifts for needy children. Principal Michelle Zundel removed the tree over the weekend after some families complained.

However, the Supreme Court ruled a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol. That didn’t matter to Ms Zundel. “If you are entering a public school and your family does not celebrate Christmas, then it feels like a religious symbol.”

And in Waterbury, CT, students have been told to say, “Happy Winter,” instead of “Merry Christmas.” Erik Brown is the principal of Walsh Elementary School. He has banned all religious festivities and decorations. He told the Republican-American newspaper that he’s just following state law. “This is not a church,” he said. “It’s a school and it’s a public school. I have to do things that include every child. So what we do is celebrate winter.”

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Old 12-08-2009, 14:46   #2
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Unfreakin' believable. This guy's a real card (I'd like to say idiot, but he is our CInC, so I'd better not). I guess we really shouldn't be surprised.

Oh, and he's a Christian, right? And the Pope's Buhddist.
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Old 12-08-2009, 14:59   #3
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The "one" can't stand sharing the spotlight.

Perhaps he can give an address to the nation on Christmas day where he can talk about himself some more.
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Old 12-08-2009, 15:10   #4
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Christmas- Christ's Mass?

Who would have thought, you just can't have Christmas without Christ?

Next we will have a National Anthem without reference to nationality.

hmmmmpppff
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Old 12-08-2009, 15:12   #5
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Jesus Nearly Banned at White House Inn

December 07, 2009
Jesus Nearly Banned at White House Inn
By Eric Metaxas
FOXNews.com

Is the Obama administration so afraid to offend people of other beliefs
that they will seriously consider obliterating basic American traditions?


Reuters
I can see the headlines now:
"Gate-crashers Enter White House; Jesus Kept Out!"

Except it almost happened.

Really.

I was reading the New York Times Sunday Styles section yesterday (yep, I'm straight) when I came across an article about embattled White House Social Secretary Desiree Rogers -- she's the one who broke with previous White House tradition by inviting herself to the state dinner when she should have been at the door keeping out the loopy riff-raff.

But in the twelfth paragraph of the article there was a real bombshell: It said that earlier this year at a luncheon with other previous White House social secretaries, Ms. Rogers claimed that this year the White House would have a "non-religious" Christmas celebration. (For those of you confused by that, it's just like a "non-religious" Yom Kippur celebration, or a "non-Irish" St. Patrick's Day celebration, or an "international" July 4th celebration.)
The Times article continued:

"The lunch conversation inevitably turned to whether the White House would display its crèche [the Manger Scene], customarily placed in a prominent spot in the East Room. Ms. Rogers, this participant said, replied that the Obamas did not intend to put the manger scene on display — a remark that drew an audible gasp from the tight-knit social secretary sisterhood. (A White House official confirmed that there had been internal discussions about making Christmas more inclusive and whether to display the crèche.)"

In the next sentence we learn that this radical idea was eventually scotched. (Perhaps the "audible gasp" from the bipartisan audience tipped them off.) But the fact that it was going to happen reveals a level of political tone-deafness in the current administration that is staggering.

To most average Americans -- who did not grow up in an Ivy-League, inside-the-Beltway hothouse governed by the rules of the French Revolution -- the idea of keeping Jesus out of "the people's house" at Christmas evokes disturbing images of the Holy Family being turned away from the Inn, or worse yet, images of Herod. But to a super-secular White House afraid to offend anyone -- except for average Americans -- it probably just seemed like another fab "progressive" innovation.

If President Obama wanted to fuel the fears of every serious Christian in America and actually prove that he is every bad thing they've ever heard about him on every crazy Web site, the idea of symbolically taking Jesus out of the White House at Christmas would be just the ticket!

Let's face it: "Brand Obama" dodged a bullet by not going forward with this terrible idea, but only barely dodged it. After all, the facts of the story are right there in The New York Times for all to see.

What can be said of an administration so out of touch with the people it governs?

Previous American presidents seemed to understand that while America is not "officially" a Christian nation, it is a nation whose Founders all believed in a Creator, and whose people are overwhelmingly Christian. Even Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had the créche displayed during their administrations.

What is going on?

Is this administration so afraid to offend people of other beliefs that they will seriously consider obliterating basic American traditions? As a friend of mine put it: their logic is like saying that serving American food at the White House state dinner might offend the Indians in the room.

But it's never offensive to simply be yourself. What can be terribly offensive is bending over backwards when its absolutely unnecessary. Or bowing when it's absolutely unnecessary. People may begin to suspect that you simply have spine issues -- and yes, I mean that metaphorically.

Eric Metaxas is The New York Times bestselling author of "Amazing Grace: William Wilberforce and the Heroic Campaign to End Slavery." His new book, "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About God (But Were Afraid to Ask): The Jesus Edition," will be published this month by Regal Publishers. For more information visit www.ericmetaxas.com.

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Old 12-08-2009, 15:14   #6
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Christmas- Christ's Mass?

Who would have thought, you just can't have Christmas without Christ?

Next we will have a National Anthem without reference to nationality.

hmmmmpppff
Why do you think some call it "X-mas"?

One more way to take Christ out of Christmas.

I've stopped buying "Happy Holiday" Stamps (Merry Christmas only) and stopped saying "Happy Holidays."

Little victories...
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Old 12-08-2009, 15:30   #7
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Xmas has its etymology in the mere shortening of the commonly used abbreviation of XP by earlier Christians - XP being the first two letters (chi & rho) of the Greek XPIΣTOΣ - Khristos (Christ).

Now when the X is gone...

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Old 12-08-2009, 15:35   #8
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O is a piece of work......Never quite understood how someone could be offended by 'Christmas' and why the many unoffended cower to the cries of a few Grinches.
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Old 12-08-2009, 16:03   #9
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Oh, and he's a Christian, right?
Do not worry, I am sure in 2011 he will be a Christian again .
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Old 12-08-2009, 17:03   #10
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My mom just told me this today. Not in the least bit surprised.
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Old 12-08-2009, 17:31   #11
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How can America re-elect a Prsident that doesn't represent us?

If we don't vote Jimmy Carter out of office in 2012, we get what we deserve.

In the mean time, we neet to eviscerate his approval ratings so he can't do any more damage!!!
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Old 12-08-2009, 18:01   #12
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Am I to suppose that everything that is and was uniquely American has been a mistake? That all of the ideals on which this country has been founded have been a mistake? The actions of the senior officials of this country appear to have sold us out in exchange for something that I fail to understand.
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Old 12-08-2009, 19:50   #13
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Over the years I have heard some stupid things come from the White House but this one might just take the cake. Just who (other than Christians) are they trying to include in Christmas celebrations? What's next Ramadan for Jews? God forbid anyone in this country gets their feelings hurt because they feel left out about anything.
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Obama wants “non-religious Christmas”?

No Christmas but he celebrates Ramadan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG6FE5YfGJM

http://iraq.usembassy.gov/press-rele...s-ramadan.html
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