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Old 11-29-2009, 17:03   #1
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More Muslim Recruiting at CIA

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Old 11-29-2009, 17:26   #2
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Scary, but absolutely necessary - IF we can identify, recruit, and train truly patriotic US born Americans with cultural ties and native language/cultural ability who are Muslim in name only (by background but not practice). For example - converts to Christianity, of which there are many.

A point that gets under my skin - When the CIA/DIA/NSA/FBI say there is a shortage of Arabic speaking individuals and indicate they are seeking to hire those with language capabilities to help in various areas, I am very skeptical as MANY I know who truly bleed red, white, and blue (such as myself), are repeatedly turned down (despite current Secret or TS clearances).

I was born in FL of Lebanese immigrant parents with a Druze heritage (the only Arabs in Israel granted full civil rights, make up a large portion of the Israeli's Northern Army divisions, serve in Parliament, etc....). We are all Evangelical Christians now (my parents were the first 2 known Druze converts). Today, there are many others with similar backgrounds who are whole heartedly American. It is this group from which the CIA needs to harvest agents - not Arab/Muslim immigrants whose primary objective is to spread Islam and Sharia law - regardless of what they may say.

We cannot forget we are involved in a long-term religious war that will change the face of our nation and our world should they win. They are infiltrating with great subterfuge, playing the discrimination and tolerance card, and playing to the emotions of bleeding heart liberals. We cannot allow them to access and influence our military, intelligence organizations, or legislatures - or it will be all she wrote.
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Old 11-29-2009, 20:01   #3
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or is that what they want you to believe? Deny Everything, Make Counteraccusations, Admit Nothing!!!! I will be the first to admit that it's pretty difficult to find a Dari, Pashto, or even a fluent Arabic (insert dialect here) speaker that IS NOT a Muslim...but they are out there. Egyptians, Lebanese, etc.

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They're not? Kifak habibi!

The article stated "After all, Comcast had no problem hiring Arabic speakers for its local call center, and the NYPD has more Arabic speakers than the CIA and FBI combined." Slightly different application process between Comcast, NYPD & USG.

USG hiring based on religion is REPORTEDLY against the law.

The new Executive Order amends section 1 of Executive Order 11478 (1969), which now reads, in part, as follows:

Under and by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. It is the policy of the Government of the United States to provide equal opportunity in Federal employment for all persons to prohibit discrimination in employment because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap, age, or sexual orientation through a continuing affirmative program in each executive department and agency. This policy of equal employment opportunity applies to and must be an integral part of every aspect of personnel policy and practice in the employment, development, advancement, and treatment of civilian employees of the Federal Government, to the extent permitted by law.
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Old 11-29-2009, 20:33   #4
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CIA director Leon Panetta wanting to loosen the security requirements for candidates with family members in Iran and Lebanon.
He has got to be out of his freaking mind. How many will die due to that genius idea??? They need help, not hinderance. How can they do their jobs when they will have to look over their shoulders constantly. They won't even be able to trust their own team.
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How many more Hasans are we bringing in to our ranks?

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I wonder what these guys would say about Muslim-Americans' attitude towards discrimination and service to country?

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Old 11-30-2009, 08:56   #7
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Thumbs down WRONG.

This is a FALSE comparison.

You wrongly equate
RACE with RELIGION (or IDEOLOGY).

You can't chose your
RACE. You can chose your RELIGION.











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This is a FALSE comparison.

You wrongly equate RACE with RELIGION (or IDEOLOGY).



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AMEN!!

1.5 Billion Muslims.

350 Million Arabs (not all of which are Muslim).

Only 1 in 4 Muslims is Arab (assuming all Arabs are Muslim - which they are not). Largest Muslim countries? - Indonesia and Malaysia.
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This is a FALSE comparison.

You wrongly equate RACE with RELIGION (or IDEOLOGY).


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Concur 100% W.M.

This P.C. spin on religion as race will be our undoing. While the U.S. treads softly others prepare for the real fight.

It WILL get worse:

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Is the military doing enough to promote diversity within its leadership? A new commission has been set up to examine this issue. Retired Air Force General Lester Lyles is Chairman of the Military Leadership Diversity Commission. He joins us now to detail the group's work so far.
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I concure with TR. The risk outways the benefits.
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This is a FALSE comparison.

You wrongly equate
RACE with RELIGION (or IDEOLOGY).

You can't chose your
RACE. You can chose your RELIGION.


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AMEN!!

1.5 Billion Muslims.

350 Million Arabs (not all of which are Muslim).

Only 1 in 4 Muslims is Arab (assuming all Arabs are Muslim - which they are not). Largest Muslim countries? - Indonesia and Malaysia.
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Concur 100% W.M.

This P.C. spin on religion as race will be our undoing. While the U.S. treads softly others prepare for the real fight.

It WILL get worse:
It's not that they're Arab. Panetta wanting to loosen the security requirements is what has me worried. That's inviting some very bad people to join the ranks of the CIA, or in the very least, some people who have very bad connections via family ties.

Loosening security could be a disastrous error IMO.
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This is a FALSE comparison.

You wrongly equate
RACE with RELIGION (or IDEOLOGY).

You can't chose your
RACE. You can chose your RELIGION.
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Sir, I only meant it as a comparison of demonstrated national service and vocal patriotic fervor between two groups who have experienced various levels of discrimination. I did not mean to equate the two, only to (poorly) illustrate the point that moderate Muslims need to step up and help America against the Islamofascists. If we are to win a war of ideas, it would help to start chipping away at the terrorists' potential recruiting pool and gain insight into the religion, cultures, and nuances of language that Western schools don't presently teach. At some point we need to take this war inside their inner circles, right? Maybe that is just a long way off and we need to keep the enemy and potential enemies at arms length till we figure out what direction we are headed (and ditch the PC-run-amok enablement of guys like Hasan). It is going to be tough to get inside without native speakers on our side who look the part, is it not?

If an individual is a security risk, don't give him or her a clearance. I am certainly not advocating lowering the bar for security clearances like we seemingly have for politicians. Cannot compartmentalization or having multiple people verify translations mitigate some of the risk? Is the risk still too great?

FWIW, I don't agree that religion is necessarily a choice in some parts of the globe. To make a choice you have to be open to or have knowledge of more than one possibility/option. Then there is the convert or die approach. I guess that's technically a choice.

* All of the above is my current opinion and certainly is subject to change with the addition of more facts and knowledge from people that would know better.

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Sir, I only meant it as a comparison of demonstrated national service and vocal patriotic fervor between two groups who have experienced various levels of discrimination. I did not mean to equate the two, only to (poorly) illustrate the point that moderate Muslims need to step up and help America against the Islamofascists. If we are to win a war of ideas, it would help to start chipping away at the terrorists' potential recruiting pool and gain insight into the religion, cultures, and nuances of language that Western schools don't presently teach. At some point we need to take this war inside their inner circles, right? Maybe that is just a long way off and we need to keep the enemy and potential enemies at arms length till we figure out what direction we are headed (and ditch the PC-run-amok enablement of guys like Hasan). It is going to be tough to get inside without native speakers on our side who look the part, is it not?

If an individual is a security risk, don't give him or her a clearance. I am certainly not advocating lowering the bar for security clearances like we seemingly have for politicians. Cannot compartmentalization or having multiple people verify translations mitigate some of the risk? Is the risk still too great?

FWIW, I don't agree that religion is necessarily a choice in some parts of the globe. To make a choice you have to be open to or have knowledge of more than one possibility/option. Then there is the convert or die approach. I guess that's technically a choice.

* All of the above is my current opinion and certainly is subject to change with the addition of more facts and knowledge from people that would know better.
Here's a loose comparison that will set Sigba's head on fire:

How many NAZIs won the Congressional Medal of Honor from the United States in WWII?

None.

You know why?

Because they subscribed to a totalitarian supremicist ideology that was anti-thetical to everything that the United States stands for.

To paraphrase:
"only to (poorly) illustrate the point that moderate NAZIs need to step up and help America against the Fascists."

Does that make any sense?

Of course not.

Here's a blast from the past worth some contemplation:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedi...esse-owens.jpg

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Question Maybe the Program is Working???

Maybe this program is working???


Terrorist recruiters leverage the Web
From YouTube to Pakistan:
N.Va. men allegedly drafted to fight U.S. troops abroad


By Griff Witte, Jerry Markon and Shaiq Hussain
Washington Post Staff Writer
December 13, 2009

Pakistani authorities on Saturday were searching for an insurgent figure believed to have aided five Northern Virginia [Muslim] men who allegedly tried to join al-Qaeda, saying the case could help unravel a growing network of terrorist recruiters who scour the Internet for radicalized young men.

Investigators have identified the man, known as Saifullah, as a recruiter for the Pakistani Taliban and said he contacted one of the American men on YouTube, exchanged coded e-mails with the group, invited them to Pakistan and guided them once they arrived.

But the men, all Muslims from the Alexandria area, failed to reach the remote tribal zone that is al-Qaeda's home because the terrorist network's commanders thought they were sent by the CIA to infiltrate al-Qaeda -- and Saifullah could not convince them otherwise, a Pakistani intelligence official said Saturday.

"They were regarded as a sting operation. That's why they were rejected," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation. The five men disappeared just after Thanksgiving and were arrested near Lahore on Tuesday. They have not been charged with any crime.

The developments point to the dangers posed by an extensive and sophisticated network of online terrorist recruiters, but also its limitations. Investigators and terrorism experts say recruitment worldwide has become far more Web-based, with recruiters playing a critical role in identifying potential radicals and determining whether they can be trusted.

Yet Saifullah's endorsement, secured through months of online contact with the five men, apparently did not carry much weight with Osama bin Laden's organization: It wanted someone who knew them better.

As a result, the five men wound up marooned in the eastern city of Sargodha, far from the terrorist haven in the forbidding mountains of northwest Pakistan that they were apparently trying to reach. Pakistani officials said the men were undeterred and kept trying to acquire the endorsements to gain access to al-Qaeda training camps -- with the ultimate goal of fighting U.S. troops in Afghanistan -- when they were arrested.

The men, ages 18 to 24, traveled overseas without telling their families, triggering an international manhunt after concerned relatives contacted the FBI. The five -- Ramy Zamzam, 22; Ahmad A. Minni, 20; Umar Chaudhry, 24; Waqar Khan, 22; and Aman Hassan Yemer, 18 -- were transferred Saturday from Sargodha to Lahore, where they were questioned by the FBI.

The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Anne W. Patterson, met with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on Saturday to discuss the men and the timing of what officials said will be their eventual handover to the United States. But Pakistani officials said they want more time to question the men in an effort to learn more about Saifullah and other radicals they may know.

U.S. law enforcement officials are considering criminal charges against the men, but they said that no charges are imminent and that a decision on whether to file them could take weeks. The young men's friends and spiritual advisers have said they never saw any sign of radical activity or beliefs. The men's family members in Northern Virginia have declined to comment.

If the emerging case, as outlined by Pakistan officials, shows the difficulties online recruiters can encounter, it was also clear that the growth of online recruiting poses unique challenges for U.S. criminal investigators.

Federal officials said they were aware of the threat and concerned about its potential to radicalize Americans who might meet recruiters online, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

"Online recruiting has exponentially increased, with Facebook, YouTube and the increasing sophistication of people online," a high-ranking Department of Homeland Security official said Saturday on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

But criminal investigators said the explosion of online communication made it extraordinarily difficult to monitor, and they indicated that their tracking abilities were limited by constitutional and privacy considerations. "Other countries may have different capabilities, and those are capabilities we don't have," said one federal law enforcement official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the issue.

Ironically, terrorism experts said one reason for the growth of online recruiting is the success of efforts by the United States and other nations to penetrate Islamist terrorist networks and Muslim communities since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"Increasingly, recruiters are taking less prominent roles in mosques and community centers because places like that are under scrutiny. So what these guys are doing is turning to the Internet," said Evan Kohlmann, senior analyst with the U.S.-based NEFA Foundation, a private group that monitors extremist Web sites.

Since Sept. 11, U.S. intelligence has made it a top priority to place human assets inside al-Qaeda. The organization's recruiters act as gatekeepers, keeping out those who are not serious about their commitment to holy war as well as those who could be spies.

Would-be American recruits are treated with special scrutiny by al-Qaeda, analysts said. But they are also considered enormously appealing to the group because of their potential to access U.S. targets and because of their propaganda value.

But experts said terrorist organizations have become much more cautious in recent years about who they allow in as U.S. intelligence agencies grow increasingly knowledgeable about the groups' recruiting methods.

Terrorist group operatives, and even freelance recruiters, troll jihadi social-networking sites, attempting to establish relationships with young men who seem ideologically committed, and physically able, to commit violence in the name of radical Islam.

In one case, a recruiter named Younes Tsouli is thought to have used such sites to identify dozens of aspiring insurgents for the war in Iraq -- all without leaving his London basement.

Experts said the case of the Northern Virginia men is especially troublesome because it apparently involved recruiting on YouTube, a Web site with mass appeal that is extremely difficult to monitor.

Pakistani officials have said that Saifullah first contacted one of the men, Minni, on YouTube in August after Minni repeatedly praised YouTube videos showing attacks on U.S. forces.

A Pakistani police official involved in the investigation said Saifullah and the men exchanged coded e-mails for months thereafter. After their arrival in Pakistan, he advised them to wear the local dress and instructed them to take buses to a city near the edge of the tribal areas, from where they could be transported to North Waziristan, home base of al-Qaeda. They were arrested before they could make the journey.

The men have told investigators that Saifullah was the only one who welcomed them in Pakistan and that they were rejected by at least two other extremist groups.

Pakistani investigators say they believe that Saifullah spent time in the United States, because of his familiarity with American slang and geography. Officials said he was already wanted for his alleged role in an attack this year on the Sri Lankan cricket team as it visited Lahore for a tournament.

In most cases, experts said, potential recruits are the ones who reach out to radical Web sites and chat rooms in the hopes of finding someone to introduce them to a militant group.

"A recruiter does not radicalize a person from scratch," said Manuel R. Torres Soriano, a terrorism expert in Spain, where the Internet played a key role in influencing some of the perpetrators of the 2004 Madrid train bombings. "They deal with people who are already ready to die."

Witte reported from Kabul, Markon from Washington and Hussain from Sargodha. Special correspondent Haq Nawaz Khan in Peshawar, Pakistan; correspondents Craig Whitlock in Berlin and Sudarsan Raghavan in Madrid; and staff writer Joby Warrick in Washington contributed to this report.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

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