Man Tears Crucifix From Woman's Neck

[SF-TX]

Since when do Christian activists yell Allah is power and Islam is great?

Man arrested for 'anti-Christian' mall disturbance
Kiosk employee allegedly tore a crucifix from someone's neck

by Emily West

Police arrested 22-year-old Abdul Walid Hamid of Hayward on the evening of Wednesday, Nov. 4, after he reportedly tore a crucifix from a person's neck and scared others at Stoneridge Shopping Center.

Hamid, an employee at a mall kiosk near Starbucks, has been charged with battery, terrorist threats and grand theft.

According to reports, Hamid was yelling "Allah is power" and "Islam is great" while holding a pen in a fist over his head. Witnesses said he shouted anti-Christian comments, said police.

Lt. Mike Elerick of the Pleasanton Police Department said the man was not provoked and didn't threaten violence, but he committed robbery when he grabbed and broke a crucifix off someone's neck.

Coworkers told police that Hamid's actions were out of the ordinary and that he had worked at the kiosk for years. [Sudden Jihad Syndrome]

Police also said they weren't aware of a prior criminal history for the man.

"We had multiple people calling 911," Elerick said. "One female was crouching down and hiding from him. He definitely scared quite a few people."

Elerick said much of the man's speech was similar to the loud scene of the Christian activists who frequent downtown Pleasanton. The big difference, however, was that Hamid was on private property and had physical contact with someone.

"Mall management has the option of making a citizen's arrest on anybody and asking someone to remove themselves for any reason," he said. "If there was no physical contact between Hamid and the customers, with just his actions alone, the mall would have asked that he be removed."

Hamid was reportedly not cooperating and was arrested by force and taken to John George Psychiatric Pavilion in San Leandro for an evaluation. Police said the case would be forwarded to the District Attorney's Office for review and possible charges.

Hamid was arraigned Tuesday morning at Alameda Superior Court in Pleasanton on charges of battery, grand theft, exhibition of a deadly weapon and a possible hate crime. Deputy District Attorney Ronda Theisen requested his bail remain at $27,000.

Calling it a bizarre case, Theisen also asked that Hamid, who is still in custody, be ordered to stay out of Stoneridge Shopping Center.

Through an interpreter, Hamid requested a public defender and was scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. Thursday where he is expected to enter a plea.

http://www.danvilleweekly.com/news/s...ry.php?id=2339

[Surf n Turf]

SJS – Spontaneous Jihad Syndrome
1 down yesterday in Virginia – How many more are lurking?
Religion of peace – ya, right
SnT

[Paslode]

Making excuses for folks like Hasan and his brothers only encourages their cause......and I am betting it will be coming to a neighborhood near you in the not too distant future.

As precursors to Hasan, you had the guy who threw a grenade in a tent in Kuwait, a college student who ran his SUV into a crowd on a college campus and the Albanian kid who shot up the shopping mall just to name a few of the 'known incidence'.

It is all okay and we should show some compassion! You know they are all so misunderstood, they come from a 'Religion of Peace' and we should cut them some slack........

That said, I am beginning to wonder how I would be portrayed if I attempted to hinder these peace loving folks from their misunderstood fun and frolic Hmmmm....Maybe I would be labeled a Domestic Terrorist.

[nmap]

Unfortunately, I fear their allies would call for you to be charged with something or other, no matter what. I also suspect they would abuse the civil court system to persecute anyone who defended a victim.

Rhetorical Question: Was the breakup of the multicultural state of Yugoslavia unique, or was it a suggestion of something more general?

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by nmap

Unfortunately, I fear their allies would call for you to be charged with something or other, no matter what. I also suspect they would abuse the civil court system to persecute anyone who defended a victim.

Rhetorical Question: Was the breakup of the multicultural state of Yugoslavia unique, or was it a suggestion of something more general?

Possibly ethnic, cultural and religious tension if that is what you are asking.

[nmap]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Possibly ethnic, cultural and religious tension if that is what you are asking.

Actually, what I'm hinting at is that a multicultural state is inherently unstable and liable to failure. I don't know that, of course - but the experiment is ongoing, and the results may be interesting.

[akv]

Originally Posted by SF TX

Hamid was reportedly not cooperating and was arrested by force and taken to John George Psychiatric Pavilion in San Leandro for an evaluation. Police said the case would be forwarded to the District Attorney's Office for review and possible charges.

Hamid was arraigned Tuesday morning at Alameda Superior Court in Pleasanton on charges of battery, grand theft, exhibition of a deadly weapon and a possible hate crime. Deputy District Attorney Ronda Theisen requested his bail remain at $27,000.

You break the law, you pay the price. In the wake of Ft. Hood I'm amazed a violent guy screaming Islamic stuff in public doesn't get the tar smacked out of him by every guy in the zip code.

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by akv

You break the law, you pay the price. In the wake of Ft. Hood I'm amazed a violent guy screaming Islamic stuff in public doesn't get the tar smacked out of him by every guy in the zip code.

Apparently, only emasculated men frequent the malls in California and they were all waiting for someone official to handle the situation and stop the bad man.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by nmap

Actually, what I'm hinting at is that a multicultural state is inherently unstable and liable to failure. I don't know that, of course - but the experiment is ongoing, and the results may be interesting.

I wasn't thinking that in depth, but that is what I was getting at. The Oil and Water mix.

[akv]

Originally Posted by NMAP

Rhetorical Question: Was the breakup of the multicultural state of Yugoslavia unique, or was it a suggestion of something more general?

Nmap,

I think on the question you are leading to, IMHO there is a big difference.

America is a melting pot of cultures and many immigrants came here for the freedom to escape the rigid societal tradition of their country of ancestry. It boils down to are you an American first? Someone once said you can move to France but you will never be a Frenchman. I don't know the Yugoslavian situation in detail but if they thought of themselves as Yugoslavians first instead of Bosnians and Serbs, Christians and Muslims it might have been different.

I'm not saying America is perfect, our Union survived a bloody civil war based on region, but a great deal of the world is so relatively provincial in their mindset. I visited Austria in school, and the folks there were kind enough to point out every Mcdonalds, since that is what Americans eat. They understood my request for genuine Austrian fare, but a week later couldn't figure out why I'd ask about Chinese food since I clearly wasn't Chinese.

Another example is the casualty list from Ft. Hood. That coward Hasan shot something like 43 Americans. If you look at their names there are folks from different races and cultural backgrounds but do we care that Major Caraveo was of Hispanic descent, or that Spc. Kham Xiong's family came from Vietnam?

No, they were all Americans and or soldiers and we mourn them. Hasan was a Muslim before he was an American, and clearly exhibited signs of this earlier on.

So respectfully, I absolutely disagree that a multicultural state is more unstable if they have the congruency to come together as something larger. Obama is a tool, but our diversity is a strength, America is unique, different, and exceptional partly because of this trait.

[nmap]

Originally Posted by akv

Nmap,

I think on the question you are leading to, IMHO there is a big difference.

America is a melting pot of cultures and many immigrants came here for the freedom to escape the rigid societal tradition of their country of ancestry. It boils down to are you an American first?

.....

So respectfully, I absolutely disagree that a multicultural state is more unstable if they have the congruency to come together as something larger. Obama is a tool, but our diversity is a strength, America is unique, different, and exceptional partly because of this trait.

Sure, you make some great points. And the different skills and talents may well add to the mix, just as you say.

But - notice that second sentence. The one about America as a melting pot. That used to be true. The functioning of that melting point transformed the new immigrants into Americans. Again, just as you pointed out.

Isn't it interesting that the notion has moved from a melting pot to a salad, where each component maintains its identity. (Really - I'm quite serious.). So the new groups may not be going through the process. As they maintain their diverse identities, they may not integrate into a unified whole. Perhaps some of the friction we observe is a consequence of that.

Possible? (shrug) I'm not sure.

[akv]

Originally Posted by SF Tex

Apparently, only emasculated men frequent the malls in California and they were all waiting for someone official to handle the situation and stop the bad man.

Yes Sir, I've noticed they aren't so much into steaks, military history, shooting, or the Dallas Cowboys out here.... which is one of the reasons I value this forum.

Originally Posted by nmap

Sure, you make some great points. And the different skills and talents may well add to the mix, just as you say.

But - notice that second sentence. The one about America as a melting pot. That used to be true. The functioning of that melting point transformed the new immigrants into Americans. Again, just as you pointed out.

Isn't it interesting that the notion has moved from a melting pot to a salad, where each component maintains its identity. (Really - I'm quite serious.). So the new groups may not be going through the process. As they maintain their diverse identities, they may not integrate into a unified whole. Perhaps some of the friction we observe is a consequence of that.

Possible? (shrug) I'm not sure.

I agree. It seems more and more in society, the media and in some cases the service, there is a push for people of different culture to retain their cultural identities as primary and push the American identity to the back. I respect everybody and their heritage but just because you or your family is from country A and I'm not does not make you superior to me and does not make me superior to you. I can't believe some of the people that get into the service these days. Its even harder still to stomach that gangs have infiltrated the military and continue to do so in what seems to be increasing numbers, or at least that's what I see around Camp Lejeune.

[akv]

Originally Posted by Nmap

But - notice that second sentence. The one about America as a melting pot. That used to be true. The functioning of that melting point transformed the new immigrants into Americans. Again, just as you pointed out.

Isn't it interesting that the notion has moved from a melting pot to a salad, where each component maintains its identity. (Really - I'm quite serious.). So the new groups may not be going through the process. As they maintain their diverse identities, they may not integrate into a unified whole. Perhaps some of the friction we observe is a consequence of that.

Possible? (shrug) I'm not sure.

Nmap,

I hear you, events like Ft. Hood make it hard to stay objective, especially when it seems one kid consistently starts all the fights in the sandbox. I think you nailed it with assimiliation, immigrants or their kids become Americans through shared cultural experiences, cub scouts, school, etc. The danger to both the US and Europe IMHO are some of these sequestered Islamic communities and schools where these people grow up apart from the American experience. This is a freedom we enjoy here, but in this case it is spawning conflict and mistrust, I don't see much Amish terrorism.

It's Veterans Day, and I'm of the opinion history can teach us a lot. Hideki Matsui came up big for the Yankees in the World Series last week. When he was up to bat I wonder what folks would have thought the evening of December 7th, 1941, if they were told a fellow by that name would be a star for the Yankees in 2009.

[nmap]

Originally Posted by akv

It's Veterans Day, and I'm of the opinion history can teach us a lot. Hideki Matsui came up big for the Yankees in the World Series last week. When he was up to bat I wonder what folks would have thought the evening of December 7th, 1941, if they were told a fellow by that name would be a star for the Yankees in 2009.

Yes, that's true. At one time, post-Dec. 7th, people wanted to cut down the cherry trees in Washington because they had been a gift from the Japanese. Now everyone wants a Japanese car. Amazing what 60 years can do.

So who knows? Maybe the same dynamics will apply to other groups in time.

The only little problem is that the path to our national friendship with Japan and acceptace of the Japanese went through some serious and deadly conflict. I wonder if change - deep change - must always involve such battles.