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Old 10-07-2009, 09:03   #1
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Robin Sage Trial to Start

Robin Sage Trial to Start

BY JOHN CHAPPELL: STAFF WRITER

Next week in federal court, a lawsuit heads to trial over a tragic incident in which a Moore County sheriff's deputy shot and killed one soldier and wounded another during a Special Forces training exercise called Robin Sage.
Motions are to be heard this week, with jury trial to begin Oct. 13 in Greensboro at the federal courthouse for the Middle District of North Carolina. The suit seeks damages from the Moore County Sheriff's Department and the county's insurer.

At issue is whether or not then-Deputy Randall Butler used excessive force in an altercation stemming from confrontation with two soldiers in civilian clothes and their volunteer trainer who thought Butler stopped their vehicle as part of a training scenario. Butler thought his life in danger from three armed men about to kill him. The soldiers' guns were loaded with blanks.

"This case arises out of tragic events that unfolded on the day of Feb. 23, 2002, in Moore County," the federal court judge said in a statement of the case. "On that date, defendant Moore County Deputy Sheriff Randall Butler shot and killed Tallas Tomeny and shot and seriously wounded plaintiff Phelps, both Green Beret Special Forces soldiers."


Phelps, Butler and a man named Charles Leiber directly witnessed the incident. While their testimony concerning the events they witnessed is similar in some ways, it is also different as to certain important facts, the court said.
A jury will decide whose account to believe and what the true facts are.

According to court documents, as part of the Army's Robin Sage training exercise, Phelps and Tomeny left their base camp that day for reconnaissance on a railroad bridge. They received a ride from Leiber, a civilian assisting the military in his free time.

Leiber was driving a Ford Ranger pickup truck with Tomeny giving directions in the passenger seat. Tomeny had a backpack containing various items, including the two halves of an M-4 assault rifle.

Phelps rode in the bed of the truck with a tackle box and two fishing rods. All wore plain clothes. The zipper to the main compartment with the M-4 rifle was covered by a flap, and Phelps maintains that Tomeny never opened that zipper.

Whether he did or not is one of the facts at issue in the case. Butler says he opened it himself and saw an assault weapon in the pack, according to court records. But Phelps contends that Butler eventually got upset and grabbed the bag away from Tomeny.

At one point, Tomeny was pulled off balance toward Butler, who was able to wrest the backpack from Tomeny with his left hand and throw it across his body to the ground near the front driver's side wheel of the patrol car. He also pushed Tomeny back. Phelps claims that Butler then drew his pistol with the safety off. Tomeny had his hands up. Butler reholstered the pistol, pulled his pepper spray, and began spraying Tomeny in the face, again according to Phelps' sworn statement in court documents.

Tomeny backed away, toward the passenger side of the truck, while screaming and cursing. The truck had side boards on the bed rails and Tomeny largely passed out of Phelps' view behind the boards as he backed up. Phelps, not wanting to be pepper sprayed, stood, jumped out of the back of the truck, and ran to grab the backpack, according to the statement.

He swore that he still believed that all of this was part of the training exercise and that he intended to grab the backpack and run to the edge of the woods to distance himself from Butler and formulate a plan.

Instead, he said heard two rapid shots behind him. He tried to stop and turn, but slipped on the wet pavement and fell. After landing on all fours, he saw Butler turn to face him and he heard two more shots.

One of those last two shots hit him in the right arm, and the other hit him in the chest. The bullet that hit his chest punctured his diaphragm, liver and intestines before lodging in his left hip. As Phelps lay on the ground, Butler approached him. Phelps cursed him and asked how he could not know they were in the military. Butler allegedly told him to shut up and stay down or he would shoot him again.

Tomeny, shot in the chest, was pronounced dead at the scene. Phelps was hospitalized for 13 days.

'On a Recon'

Leiber's account differs at the point that he and Butler entered the patrol car. Leiber claims that Butler questioned him as to where he lived and what he was doing, and he replied that he was from Pineland and that the men in his truck were two migrant workers who were going fishing, court documents say.

He claimed to have picked them up in Pineland. In response to further questioning, he stated that the men were doing "recon."

He testified in his deposition that when it "appeared" Tomeny was not going to show any more of the contents of the bag, Butler pulled out his pistol and then reholstered it. He states that Tomeny responded by pulling an orange from the bag. Leiber said he did not remember anyone opening the main compartment of the backpack.

Leiber's deposition states that he does not remember ever observing Tomeny's hands reach behind his back. This is one of the main points at issue between his statement and that of Butler.

According to Leiber, when the pepper spray seemed to run out, Butler immediately pulled his pistol and fired two shots at Tomeny. At that time, Phelps jumped off the truck and ran.

Butler's account differs markedly on certain key facts that will be before the jury if the case proceeds to trial. According to his statement, he was on patrol in northern Moore County that day.

While he had general knowledge that the military sometimes trained in Moore County, he said he did not know of the existence of the Robin Sage exercise, did not know its details, and did not know that any exercise was being conducted in the area that day.

Butler said he had, however, heard that there had recently been a series of property crimes in the area, including burglaries of homes and outbuildings.

Because of four factors -- the unsolved property crimes in the area, seeing the same truck in the area earlier in the day with a person riding in the back and apparently asleep in cold weather, the actions of the passenger, and the turns that the truck made after being sighted and followed -- Butler became suspicious and pulled the truck over.

According to Butler, Leiber told him first that he and his passengers were going fishing, then added that they were migrant workers. When asked which it was, Leiber allegedly replied that he was trying to find work for migrant workers. Butler thought this answer to be odd because it was winter, and there were no crops in the fields. Finally, Leiber told Butler he was "on a recon."

At this point, Butler left Leiber in the car and approached Tomeny's window. As Tomeny rolled down the window, Butler said in his statement, that he noticed the backpack on the floor of the truck and felt that Tomeny was uncomfortable and trying to hide the bag. He asked Tomeny to step out and show him the contents of the bag. He also noticed that Phelps continued sleeping or pretending to sleep and considered this suspicious under the circumstances.

'Kill Him Now'

Butler's sworn deposition says he asked Tomeny to open the pack and Tomeny said he would, but did not. Butler testified in his deposition that Tomeny acted oddly by unzipping the bag halfway and then quickly zipping it closed again. Butler says he then unzipped the backpack himself and saw what he thought were two machine guns in the bag.

After Butler saw the guns, he and Tomeny struggled over the bag, the statement says. Butler was able to take the bag from Tomeny and throw it near the front, driver's side tire of his patrol car. When he turned back, he claims that he felt and saw Tomeny's hands near the pistol on his right hip. He then drew the gun with his right hand and pushed Tomeny away with his left while commanding him to stay back.

When Tomeny did move away, Butler reholstered his gun, but he states that Tomeny moved toward him again, he said in the deposition. Butler then attempted to pepper spray Tomeny. Butler said he believed that Tomeny turned his head, causing the pepper spray to miss him. He claims that he heard Tomeny yell, "It's too late. It's too late, you're dead."

According to Butler' statement, Tomeny then began pointing and saying "You're dead. You're dead." Finally, Tomeny yelled to Phelps, "Go ahead. Shoot him. Kill him. Kill him." He also screamed "Kill him now."

Phelps then got up from the truck, jumped out and rushed toward the backpack. Butler believed that Phelps was going for the guns and that he actually saw part of the guns come out of the bag as Phelps grabbed it and turned to face him. He stated that he also saw, with his peripheral vision, Tomeny reaching behind his back as if to pull something from his pants. Butler claims he warned Phelps verbally but, when Phelps did not respond, he then shot Phelps.

After shooting Phelps, he turned to face Tomeny. Because Tomeny was still reaching behind his back as if for a weapon, he shot Tomeny and retreated to the back of the car where he could cover Leiber while calling for backup.

Based on their version of the facts, Phelps and Tomeny's father filed suit against Butler in both his individual and official capacities, Lane Carter in his official capacity and Fidelity and Deposit Co. of Maryland.

Carter was not actually sheriff at the time of the shootings. However, because the suit is only against him in his official capacity, he is the named defendant in the suit, which is really against the Sheriff's Office.

Contact John Chappell at 783-5841 or by e-mail at jchappell@thepilot.com.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:25   #2
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This is a piss-ass shame,, an accident that should not have happened..

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Old 10-07-2009, 11:12   #3
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I interviewed some of the people involved with this incident.

Most of the accounts track, with Deputy Butler's being the primary one that differs. The military investigation tap danced around the facts; IMHO, to avoid embarassing anyone in the civilian community.

Personally, I think he is lying. Everybody I know in Moore County there for more than a year knows about Robin Sage.

I hate to see the suit against the Sheriff's Department, Lane Carter is a good man, but his predecessor hired Butler and put him on the road with a gun.

Damn shame regardless, and led to a lot of changes.

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Old 10-07-2009, 11:27   #4
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Robin Sage Trial to Start

TR what is even more amazing Butler is now working for the Lee County Sheriffs Department. Lee County has a new Sheriff and he brought Butler aboard. I made a point to let some of the Cadre know about this because their was talk about expanding Sage out into Lee County.
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TR what is even more amazing Butler is now working for the Lee County Sheriffs Department. Lee County has a new Sheriff and he brought Butler aboard. I made a point to let some of the Cadre know about this because their was talk about expanding Sage out into Lee County.
A friend of my wife said that she dated Butler a long time ago, and that this was not unexpected. She also said that he had left Lee County to come to Moore.

Maybe it is time for him to quit carrying a badge and a gun. This suit may see to that.

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Old 10-07-2009, 12:04   #6
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I was acting as G Chief to the ODA in the adjacent AO when this ocurred. As a result was privy to a lot of the first hand info.

I believe believe Tomeny's father is a retired USAF General. This lawsuit has been in the works for a while.

Here's a copy of the unpublished appeal.
http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/061929.U.pdf
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I also add that according to the MSG in charge of that area. They even tried to bribe the Sheriff with the fake Pineland Money. The whole situation is bizarre.
We dealt with the Police in Fayetteville during our off post hits down town. These were the final hits for the SFAUC Course. The police were actively looking for the Students during their Recon phase. They were part of the exercise. If caught they were to be arrested by the Police. Police and students had Sims Guns. The Police taking part had a Red Flag attached to the antenna of their vehicle. So did the Students. Police only pulled them over if they had a reason to.
One thing we always told the Students. If a Cop pulls you over. He doesn't have a Red Flag on his Antenna. Doesn't have a Sims mask onwhen he gets out. Do not pull out your Sims Gun and engage. You will get shot.
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They even tried to bribe the Sheriff with the fake Pineland Money.
This was part of the original testimony...
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Old 10-07-2009, 13:23   #9
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It's just a shame that the young man was killed and the other shot..... From what I've read so far,Butler should get what's coming to him........ He's a LEO who should not be wearing a badge or carrying a gun.......

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Old 10-07-2009, 19:36   #10
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I can remember when one law enforcement official was being interviewed in his office and he was stating that they did not know the guys were out there. Of course behind him on the wall were quite a few plaques that the unit had given him over the years thanking them.
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Old 10-07-2009, 21:18   #11
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With luck the family will get some justice. Not enough to compensate for the loss of a son but maybe enough to get a threat to civil society out of uniform and off the street.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:11   #12
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This is bad all around

and some questions are raised regarding the LEO involved, but I guess am thinking back to my younger days, a little thing called "roll call", where the oncoming shift was given information regarding events in the past 24 and the upcoming 8 hours. I would be interested to know if the LEO recieved any kind of heads up at roll call regarding Robin Sage. Is it possible that the agency didn't hold roll calls? Kind of an industry standard. Anyone?
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... a little thing called "roll call", where the oncoming shift was given information regarding events in the past 24 and the upcoming 8 hours...........
How about just being aware of the local news?

Every time a Robin Sage starts it's in the local papers. All about gun fire, explosions, odd people running around, low flying aircraft at night, etc, etc, etc.
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and some questions are raised regarding the LEO involved, but I guess am thinking back to my younger days, a little thing called "roll call", where the oncoming shift was given information regarding events in the past 24 and the upcoming 8 hours. I would be interested to know if the LEO recieved any kind of heads up at roll call regarding Robin Sage. Is it possible that the agency didn't hold roll calls? Kind of an industry standard. Anyone?
It is standard in large departments. But a small Town Sheriff department. He probably started his shift from his house. Most deputy's take there car Home after shift. Then start again the next day.
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It is standard in large departments. But a small Town Sheriff department. He probably started his shift from his house. Most deputy's take there car Home after shift. Then start again the next day.
OK, that's what I was looking for, yeah he should have watched the news, but if it was at roll call it would be hard to say he didn't have any idea. I wasn't sure if all agencies did roll call. Tragedy.
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