Senate votes to allow guns on Amtrak

[Ret10Echo]

We will see where this goes....Interesting timing I think.

Senate votes to allow guns on Amtrak
September 16, 2009

By ANDREW TAYLOR
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate voted Wednesday to permit passengers on the Amtrak passenger railroad to transport handguns in their checked baggage.
The proposal, approved by a 68-30 vote, seeks to give Amtrak riders rights comparable to those enjoyed by airline passengers, who are permitted to transport firearms provided that they declare they are doing so and that the arms are unloaded and in a securely locked container.
"Americans should not have their second amendment rights restricted for any reason, particularly if they choose to travel on America's federally subsidized rail line," said Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., who made the proposal.
Wicker's amendment would deny the money-losing railroad its $1.6 billion taxpayer subsidy unless it changes the gun policy.
Current Amtrak policy, put in place after the bombings of passenger trains in Madrid five years ago, prohibits weapons, including firearms, from being carried on its trains.
Prior to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, Amtrak permitted firearms to be carried on its trains so long as they were separately secured in locked baggage or carrying cases. But it added restrictions on carrying weapons after 9/11 and imposed a total ban on all weapons after the Madrid bombings.
Opponents of changing the policy back, such as Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., say it would be too costly and burdensome to return to the old policy. Durbin said that "Amtrak doesn't have the security infrastructure, the processes or the trained personnel in place to ensure that checked firearms would not be lost, damaged, stolen or misused."
The chief author of the underlying transportation appropriations bill, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said implementing the policy would be too costly.
"Amtrak would have six months to build a process for checking and tracking firearms. It would have to find the manpower necessary to screen and guard firearms and it would have to purchase the equipment necessary," Murray said. "If they do not comply, Amtrak will shut down."
Wednesday's vote was the latest in a string of victories for gun rights activists in the Senate despite Democrats' sizable majority. Some 27 Democrats, including Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, voted for the amendment, many from western or southern states.
The legislation still must be reconciled with a House-passed measure than does not contain the gun rights provision.

[Defender968]

I've never ridden on a train, are there any security measures i.e. TSA style checking of passengers?

[TDude90]

I have been on Amtrak a couple of times a couple years ago. There is virtually no security. About the same as getting on a bus. I'm sure people could have carried guns on board previously without any issue

[FMF DOC]

Maybe a step in the right direction for the good guys...

I guess I'm a cynic. I view this as normalizing Amtrak to current rules for air travel in preparation to having similar TSA procedures for train travel.

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by HowardCohodas

I guess I'm a cynic. I view this as normalizing Amtrak to current rules for air travel in preparation to having similar TSA procedures for train travel.

Copy bigger government I agree with you there.

Though I can also see beefing up security around trains as using a train as a WMD is viable, thousands of gallons/pounds of TICS/TIMS travel across the country every day, and from time to time there have been accidents that have killed lots of people. It's not a stretch to think one could be caused on purpose to maximize the lethality. We had an train wreck in SC just before I became a police officer that killed dozens, had it happened in a bigger city it would have killed hundreds or more. What I don't know is if Amtrak trains push/pull those types of cars along with the passenger cars. If not then personally I see these types of measures as not being necessary as they are on planes. One could just as easily derail a train carrying TICS/TIMS at the place/time of their choosing without actually trying to take a train over by force with deadly consequences.

[Sdiver]

This happening the the wake of the FBI's raid on a suspected AQ spot in Queens, stating they were planning on a "Madrid style" of attack......Hummmmmmmmm....