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Old 09-05-2009, 10:03   #1
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Worst-Case Scenario for Swine Flu 2.0

The Real Worst-Case Scenario for Swine Flu 2.0
Thomas P.M. Barnett
Sept 3, 2009

Could a new wave of the H1N1 virus become as crippling to Obama as Katrina was to Bush? An in-depth assessment of the risks to moms and politicians across the country.

The more and more I talk to people around Washington these days — fellow security guys, policy consultants, health-care experts, parents — the more I realize that the next wave of the H1N1 virus ("swine flu," if you must) is going to be a bigger deal than even the mask-wearing paranoiacs at the county fair will let on. And the more I pour over the new H1N1 report released to the White House from President Obama's seriously legitimate science-and-technology advisory council, its worst-case scenario seems even more frightening than the one from Stanley McChrystal that landed on his desk yesterday.

The Obama geek panel's "plausible scenario" suggests an early flu season peaking in the middle of October that could kill 300 percent more people than our usual flu season does. That's ninety thousand people in the next couple months — more than ten times as many Americans as we'll lose in Iraq and Afghanistan in the next couple administrations. Even the council's low-end prediction of thirty thousand would arguably double the usual death count because this won't be your aging grandma succumbing to swine flu; the report rather darkly — and repeatedly — emphasizes fatalities among kids, for whom "the consequences of infection in this epidemic are already known to be far more severe."

Children shouldn't have to die this way.

So the good news? The advisors said they were "deeply impressed" with the administration's decisions to date, describing them as "probably the best effort ever mounted against a pandemic." That's good for my four kids and me, but it's also good for Obama: pro-pig approval ratings, data shows, should help drum up Democratic votes for the mid-terms — or at least help Rahm ram through health-care reform ("never allow a crisis go to waste," Emanuel likes to say).

But even if one vaccination can now perform a two-dose job against H1N1, the new report highlights the virus' second wave arriving too early for widespread vaccination. That means one in every two Americans could plausibly contract this novel flu strain, and that means the political finger-pointing could get nasty. And all this from a "moderate" pandemic.

Inside the Numbers: Is H1N1 the Second Coming of Katrina?

Okay, more good news: H1N1 has a stunningly low death rate, and most young people recover within a few days without requiring medical treatment beyond what a caring mom would instinctively muster. On the other hand, swine flu has a stunningly wide reach, and these kinds of vast infection numbers — even if only a small fraction of cases lead to hospitalization — will swamp the capacity of our nation's health-care infrastructure rather easily.

Sure, the president's science advisors say this fall's flu wave won't be a rerun of the super-deadly 1918 flu (another H1N1 strain, by the way), but it sure as hell won't be a Chicken Little drill like the swine flu of 1976, when a government-distributed vaccine resulted in more panic than prevention. For the no-drama Obama crowd, that sort of swag (scientific wild-ass guess) can't be comforting. Hurricane Katrina killed fewer than two thousand Americans, but it saddled the second Bush administration with a popular perception of sheer incompetence that it never shook off. And with the health-care debate bringing out the big-picture "desperation" vultures in full force, the political stakes for Democrats couldn't be higher.

Just how difficult could things get for moms and Obama alike? Let's drill down on the report's worst-case scenario numbers: Up to half of Americans (or 150 million people) could become infected, with as many as 80 percent of those (120 million) exhibiting symptoms. As many as three-quarters of those with clear symptoms (ninety million) are expected to seek medical attention, and of those, 2 percent (1.8 million) will need hospital care. Of those hospitalized, only about 1-in-5 will require intensive care, and the large majority of those will survive — hence the much Drudged-about estimated ceiling of ninety thousand. The lower ranges of this scenario (not to be confused with any best-case "floor") cut all of those estimates in half, with the death toll cut by two-thirds — or a double-plus-bad flu season (thirty thousand H1N1 cases conceivably on top of the usual, elder-concentrated loss).

Left to its own devices (or unmitigated, in doc-speak), the peak incidence date of October 15 should see no more than 1-in-50 Americans (six million) come down with the flu, but, because of the clustering effect by age, any enterprise that employs or involves concentrated numbers of young adults (read: school) could be temporarily decimated. That, in turn, could trigger some extraordinary measures aimed at "social distancing," like canceling major sporting events, or conducting them sans fans, as Mexico has already done. Then there's the familiar tactic of closing schools, which the World Health Organization is telling countries to consider. But in an education-heavy economy like ours, each week of classes canceled across the country would shave half a percentage point off our GDP, according to the medical journal The Lancet.

No matter how you slice it, swine flu is going to cost America plenty.

Consider what the worst case calls for: six million people infected six-and-a-half weeks from now essentially means we need 450,000 hospital beds — pronto! According to the report, that's asking for seven out of every ten hospital beds that are readily accessible in America today — and asking for it at a time when occupancy rates typically hover at much higher percentages (a standard goal being 85 percent). Conceivably, almost half a million Americans would suddenly be chasing less than one hundred thousand free beds. That means triaging the "worried well" (typically, a vast additional diagnostic burden) from the truly needy, and then reducing that truly needy number down to the available beds. Under normal conditions (or, I guess, in anti-Obamacare propaganda), that's called rationing, with the losers encouraged to accept home-based care (not a bad idea in terms of social distancing, but a burden on families). Of course, in an emergency, you can free up some beds by suspending voluntary admissions, but what about intensive-care beds? The worst-case load prediction is 25 percent higher (seventy-five thousand) than the current U.S. total (sixty thousand), and most intensive-care units are virtually filled up. All the time. And, the report notes, "the number of ICU beds available for pediatric patients is especially limited."

Don't even get me started on how tightly we staff our hospitals today, or the scary fact that barely one-third of U.S. medical workers typically get a flu shot every year. Little wonder that Dr. Harold Varmus, medical superstar and co-chair of the president's council, warned that H1N1's second wave will "stress every aspect of our health system."

The Fallout: As Goes the Flu, So Goes Obamacare?

How all this affects Obama's push for health-care reform is anyone's guess right now — and, I guarantee you, every pundit's favorite after Labor Day. The president's speech to a joint session of Congress should provide more of a sense of how he'll spin the swine into the legislative mix, but his instinct — if only to get them to wash their hands and cover their sneezes — is clearly to strike the fear of God into his constituency, at least in the short term (The height of this global pandemic is less than seven weeks away!).

In political terms, emphasizing worst-case projections sets up the White House to claim a convincing victory after the fact, while simultaneously noting all the system's vulnerabilities — hence the compelling need for reform. Far from being his Katrina, H1N1 could prove to be Obama's congressional vote-grab — if he plays his cards right (and keeps his germaphobe vice-president — not to mention the out-in-the-tumbleweeds former one — away from microphones). Beginning on page 45 of the report (the PDF of which is all worth reading), there's a long section on the challenges of data collection and management during this crisis, with not-so-subtle calls to avoid waiting for new policies amidst the rise of a pandemic. If that doesn't sound like a winning argument for electronic medical records, I don't know what does.

For now, unfortunately, we just can't be certain how bad a hand we're being dealt here. With SARS and avian flu, the higher death rates were often fueled by "cytokine storms" triggered by the virus within previously hardy individuals. These potentially fatal immune-system overreactions (when signaling chemicals [cytokines] are over-stimulated) usually occur in young adults, meaning their bodies fight back so hard that vital organs (typically the lungs) are damaged catastrophically. Thankfully, there's no solid evidence we'll see this year's version of H1N1 triggering large numbers of such cases, but it's one of the many reasons why this report came with the authors' caveat that "features of 2009-H1N1's next wave cannot be accurately predicted."

What we can predict this fall is an issue — finally, a real issue, of importance to public good and public policy — that goes beyond the partisan (and wing-nut) chatter to really test our mettle. And while your kid will try to fight back in his middle-school classroom with that hardened immune system, the president will have a lot more than germs to battle.

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Old 09-05-2009, 17:41   #2
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Warrior-Mentor, Thank you for the time you have spent giving us a insight that many don't see, being outside the belt way.

I agree with you that in a few weeks the POTUS is going to have a hand full of shit to deal with., but not as much as each of us American that need to live in this challenging time in our county.


Our training and wit, is going to help us get thought the next many weeks.



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Old 09-05-2009, 18:58   #3
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Thank you, Sir.

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Old 09-09-2009, 20:31   #4
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And then it hits close to home... 33 year old aquaintance's death confirmed today as H1N1.
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Old 09-09-2009, 21:03   #5
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And then it hits close to home... 33 year old aquaintance's death confirmed today as H1N1.

Any idea of what their health status was prior to H1N1 infection?
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Old 09-10-2009, 06:56   #6
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It's going around here in Charleston, SC now.

My wife's office has had people out with flu-like symptoms, one of which was tested and confirmed as H1N1. Anyone with symptoms is now ordered to stay home. Now she is heading to the doc today with sore throat, runny nose, and body aches.

One person where I work has a child with confirmed H1N1, but his kids are home schooled so they didn't get it from school. Maybe mom or dad, maybe church, who knows.

I'm not afraid for myself, but I have a 6 month old son.

Update: Wife is confirmed NOT swine flu, not regular flu, just a virus.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:25   #7
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It has hit the Houston area

Rice University has 147 cases of flu with 40+ confirmed Swine flu. It is also beginning in our school district. Second hand info, but I was told doctors aren't sending off samples anymore because of the time involved and the large number of cases. They are treating them all as Swine Flu.
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A guy here in my office had it a couple weeks ago. He stayed home for a week, got over it, and is back to work just fine. He said the worst part was a very sore throat that made it hard to swallow. Otherwise, it was very much like the normal flu.
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Old 09-10-2009, 17:16   #9
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A He said the worst part was a very sore throat that made it hard to swallow. Otherwise, it was very much like the normal flu.
Same with my stepmom, she said the sore throat was the worst she's ever had. Took her about 2 weeks to get to feeling better.
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Old 09-12-2009, 16:40   #10
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Haven't been here for a few days so late reply.

The prior question about previous health of the 33 year old that died- she was pretty healthy with the exception of being overweight.

Reading the follow up posts I was disturbed to see the sore throat mentioned because in a similar thread her at ps there was the contrast between the flu and cold. Sore throat was listed under cold not flu.
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Old 10-24-2009, 17:52   #11
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Obama Declares H1N1 Flu 'National Emergency'

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President Obama signed a proclamation declaring the H1N1 influenza a national emergency, giving doctors and medical facilities greater leeway in responding to the flu pandemic.

Obama signed the declaration late Friday, which the White House said allows medical treatment facilities to better handle a surge in flu patients by waiving federal requirements on a case-by-case basis.

"The foundation of our national approach to the H1N1 flu has been preparedness at all levels -- personal, business, and government -- and this proclamation helps that effort by advancing our overall response capability," the White House said in a statement.

In the proclamation, Obama said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's a potential "to overburden health care resources."

Because of vaccine production delays, the government has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor's offices and other providers, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The government now hopes to have about 50 million doses of vaccine for the so-called swine flu out by mid-November and 150 million in December.


The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, officials explained.

H1N1 is more widespread now than it's ever been. Health authorities say almost 100 children have died from the flu, and 46 states now have widespread flu activity.

Worldwide, more than 5,000 people have reportedly died from swine flu since it emerged this year and developed into a global epidemic, the World Health Organization said Friday. Since most countries have stopped counting individual swine flu cases, the figure is considered an underestimate.

The flu has infected millions of Americans and killed nearly 100 children in the U.S. The chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday that over a thousand people have died as a result, with 46 states reporting widespread H1N1 activity.

"Since the beginning of the pandemic, we've seen more than 1,000 deaths and 20,000 hospitalizations," said Dr. Thomas Frieden, head of the CDC. "We expect it to occur in waves, but we can't predict when those waves will happen."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
It is interesting that the declaration came late in the day on a Friday.

I'm terrifically encouraged by the fact that the president took such bold action months ago. Source is here.
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WEEKLY ADDRESS: President Obama Outlines Government Actions to Address the 2009 H1N1 Flu

Over the last week, my administration has taken several precautions to address the challenge posed by the 2009 H1N1 flu virus. Today, I’d like to take a few minutes to explain why.

This is a new strain of the flu virus, and because we haven’t developed an immunity to it, it has more potential to cause us harm. Unlike the various strains of animal flu that have emerged in the past, it’s a flu that is spreading from human to human. This creates the potential for a pandemic, which is why we are acting quickly and aggressively.

This H1N1 flu has had its biggest impact in Mexico, where it has claimed a number of lives and infected hundreds more. Thus far, the strain in this country that has infected people in at least nineteen states has not been as potent or as deadly. We cannot know for certain why that is, which is why we are taking all necessary precautions in the event that the virus does turn into something worse.

This is also why the Centers for Disease Control has recommended that schools and child care facilities with confirmed cases of the virus close for up to fourteen days. It is why we urge employers to allow infected employees to take as many sick days as necessary. If more schools are forced to close, we’ve also recommended that both parents and businesses think about contingency plans if children do have to stay home. We have asked every American to take the same steps you would take to prevent any other flu: keep your hands washed; cover your mouth when you cough; stay home from work if you’re sick; and keep your children home from school if they’re sick. And the White House has launched pages in Facebook, MySpace and Twitter to support the ongoing efforts by the CDC to update the public as quickly and effectively as possible.

As our scientists and researchers learn more information about this virus every day, the guidance we offer will likely change. What will not change is the fact that we’ll be making every recommendation based on the best science possible.

We will also continue investing in every resource necessary to treat this virus and prevent a wider outbreak. The good news is that the current strain of H1N1 can be defeated by a course of antiviral treatment that we already have on hand. We began this week with 50 million courses of this treatment in the Strategic National Stockpile. Over the course of the last few days, we have delivered one-quarter of that stockpile to states so that they are prepared to treat anyone who is infected with this virus. We then purchased an additional thirteen million treatments to refill our strategic stockpile.

Out of an abundance of caution, I have also asked Congress for $1.5 billion if it is needed to purchase additional antivirals, emergency equipment, and the development of a vaccine that can prevent this virus as we prepare for the next flu season in the fall.

The Recovery Act that Congress enacted in February also included expansions of community health centers, a dramatic increase in the training of health care workers and nurses, and $300 million for the development and deployment of vaccines – all of which will help us meet this threat.
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It is interesting that the declaration came late in the day on a Friday.

I'm terrifically encouraged by the fact that the president took such bold action months ago. If I had a TARDIS, I'd go back a year and cast my vote for this guy. I really would.
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I know one person age 29 who had a confirmed case of H1N1 and he got to do a self quarantine at home.

My daughter had a high fever for 4 days, the following Monday when she returned they had 6 kids in class, the rest were out sick and the school had a total of 80 out. And based on the emails going around, none of the parents had their kids tested they just kept them home and returned them to school after they were without fever for 24 hours. No one died.

So is this a convenient emergency or is it a true emergency?
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Old 10-24-2009, 21:54   #14
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In Colorado...

We are losing 1 kid a week as opposed to 2/yr. Our clinic visits for Flu symptoms are 8 times higher than normal, and we are admitting 200-300 per week to the local hospitals when our record for seasonal flu hospitalizations in one week was 65. All this being said it appears that our medical system is able to handle it so far. Who knows what will happen next month.

I'd like to hear what Mugwump thinks.
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Trying to figure out if getting one of these H1N1 shots is the best idea. I see the lines of folks in the DC area waiting as if their going to buy U-2 tickets. Camping out, just waiting for riots to break out. Like watching Soylent Green! About 25%+ of the kids in school in the small town here have some sort of flu...swine or whatever. No hospital close, just a shorthanded clinic.

My daughter in Austin is 7-mos pregnant and she's scared to get the shot. Thoughts anybody? Risk the shot or risk the flu?
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