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Old 08-05-2009, 05:04   #1
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4 Killed, 9 Others Shot at Pittsburgh-Area Gym

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537004,00.html

BRIDGEVILLE, Pa. — Investigators were trying to piece together the motive of a gunman who walked into an exercise class in suburban Pittsburgh and fired dozens of shots, killing three women and himself and injuring nine other women, authorities said.

Two women and the man believed to be the shooter died at the scene Tuesday night and another woman died on the way to a hospital, Allegheny County police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said at a news conference in the parking lot of the LA Fitness center in Collier Township early Wednesday.

Moffatt said police were not sure who the target of the shooting was but that the gunman went into the health club planning to shoot several people — firing "multiple" weapons "indiscriminately," Moffatt said — and did not say anything before unleashing a burst of bullets.

"He walked right into the room where the shootings occurred as if he knew exactly where he was going," Moffatt said.

The violence rocked Collier, a bedroom community of about 5,300 residents near Interstate 79, some eight miles southwest of downtown Pittsburgh.

Moffatt said the gunman was a member of the health club and had identification but that police needed to check fingerprints and speak to his family to confirm his identity. The Allegheny County Medical Examiner said three of the four victims had been positively identified early Wednesday, but their names would likely not be released before midmorning.

Moffatt said police recovered at least two guns from the scene and that a note was found in the shooter's duffel bag, but he would not say whether the shooter had written it.

"I don't think anyone could have stopped him," Moffatt said.

Five victims arrived in critical condition at UPMC Mercy Hospital, but three were upgraded to serious condition by early Wednesday. Two women remained in fair condition at Allegheny General Hospital, hospital officials said. Two female victims were in stable condition at St. Clair Hospital, spokesman Rich Sieber said Tuesday, but their conditions were not immediately available Wednesday.

By early Wednesday, Moffatt said two victims remained critical, two others were in surgery and two had reportedly been treated and released, with the others still hospitalized. Moffatt said police know the names of the wounded women, but aren't releasing them immediately, and he couldn't specify which victims were in which hospital.

Joann Gazzam, who was taking part in the weekly "Latin impact" dance aerobics class, saw the gunman walk to the back of the room near some weights, set down a bag and fumble with it for a few minutes before coming up with what appeared to be two guns and opening fire, according to her sister, Debi Wozniak, of suburban Dormont.

Gazzam told Wozniak that the instructor was among those who appeared to have been shot, and that the gunman had killed himself.

"She told me, 'Debi, I seen everything. Oh, my God, I seen everything. I seen him pull out the guns,"' said Wozniak, who usually attends the class but was running late Tuesday and didn't make it.

The gunman walked in the room, turned off the lights and, at first nobody knew what was happening, said Stacey Falk, 26, of Bridgeville, who was in the class.

"All of us girls were just ducking behind each other and it was just, you know, I was behind a girl, one of the girls in front to get hit, and when he was in the opposite corner shooting, I booked it," she told WPXI-TV.

Loretta Moss, 44, of McDonald, said she was exercising on a treadmill when she heard a popping noise.

"I didn't pay any attention, and the next minute, people were screaming," said Moss, who had come to the gym Tuesday night for the first time in a couple of weeks. She said she then heard more pops.

"There was like a whole spray of them. I'd say about 15 altogether, and then people started screaming and yelling and started running out the building," she said.

"We laid down, and then after the last set of ... gunshots, we got up, and someone said run."

Moss said she then saw two young women bleeding, one shot in the leg and one in the shoulder. She said she checked on the pulse of the lady shot in the leg.

"She was screaming, 'It's burning, just please call the ambulance,"' Moss said.

Richard Walker of Tulsa, Okla., who is in the area working on oil rigs, was playing basketball near the exercise room when he heard shots.

"The next thing I know, everybody's going, 'Run, run,"' he said. He said heard about 12 shots before he started moving and another eight or nine as he was leaving the building. He led a woman who had been shot in the thigh outside the building about 50 yards.

"She just kept saying, 'He's gonna kill me."' Walker said she didn't elaborate.

The fitness center, which opened last year, is in a strip mall called the Great Southern Shopping Center, where a few businesses were destroyed in a 2006 fire. The fitness center said in a statement: "Each of us in the LA Fitness family are shocked and saddened by the senseless acts of violence that took place."
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:31   #2
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What can you say?

Glad he was a piss poor shot.

Glad so many made it out and the deaths were so few.

Prayers for the wounded and family members.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:40   #3
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Not too much. It was ugly. Mall security at this mall is practically non-existent.

First responders did an excellent job though. Local and county Law Enforcement, including the county superintendant of police responded very quickly to this tragedy.

EMS and ambulance personell, well, not enough can be said about their reactions. They definitely kept the body count down.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:50   #4
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Dude was nuts

Pennsylvania Gym Shooter Plotted Attack in Online Diary Before Killing Four

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8255530&page=1

"The man who shot up a Pittsburgh-area gym, killing four and injuring as many as 15 others before apparently turning a gun on himself kept an online diary detailing his hatred for his domineering mother and brother and his lust for other women."

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"Among those reportedly shot were Sodini's ex-girlfriend and the class instructor who had just told participants that she was pregnant, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Neither were among the dead."
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:56   #5
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From his on-line diary:

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"Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell," Sodini apparently wrote, before adding later, "I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them."
Just another believer of one of those religions of peace...

FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies.

Sad.

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Old 08-05-2009, 07:10   #6
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...Just another believer of one of those religions of peace... ....
So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
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Old 08-05-2009, 07:19   #7
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Just another believer of one of those religions of peace...

FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies.

Sad.

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I’m afraid Mr. Murderer is in for a tragic realization!

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Old 08-05-2009, 08:04   #8
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Prayers out to the victim and their families.

Rest in Peace and a speedy recovery to the injured.
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So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
He doesn't say - he just states:

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Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told.
Seems as if he was literate enough to read the Book and its many contradictory passages offering justification for nearly everything for himself. Here are a couple to think about:

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“We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers”. – 1 John 3:14-16
What if the shooter didn't 'hate' anybody - but was merely offering a gift of love by allowing a select few randomly chosen by GOD's will to accompany him on his journey to seek GOD - does that mean he is not a murderer as written?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law [Holy Bible] to do them.

I've got several copies of the Holy Bible and they have a number of differing interpretations of the same passages - which am I to believe?

Or perhaps he was confused by:

John 3:16 GOD loves the world.
John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

So is destroying the world favorable for or against GOD's love?
Or can GOD be bipolar - loves the world one day and hates it the next? And if GOD is bipolar, shouldn't we be that way, too...or are we? The Earth is - it has a North Pole and a South Pole. But then there is Poland which is...

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Who are we to believe? And if someone doesn't believe what we believe as is written and edited, doesn't this say we have justification to destroy them as they have brought our actions upon themselves?

Having lived among and witnessed the actions of a vast number of societies and beliefs throughout the world - I have come to accept the concept of "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" - maybe I'm wrong, too - but's that my issue alone and I accept that. However, YMMV.

Bottom Line: I fail to understand how any sane person can do such harm to others - no matter what guise they seek to cloak and justify their heinous actions - religious or otherwise.

And the seemingly senseless killings in Pittsburh is still a sad case.

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The fitness center said in a statement: "Each of us in the LA Fitness family are shocked and saddened by the senseless acts of violence that took place."
Know quite a few that work out in classes like this, and am one of them.

Thoughts are with the victims families.

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Old 08-05-2009, 09:24   #11
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The murderer's blog seems something a creative writing student would come up with. Very predictable. Is this tunnel vision thinking common among murderers and those who contemplate murder?
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:39   #12
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So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA
pastor Rick Knapp

I don't believe it is a traditional church, no real surprise there. Their website is under construction, Church

Names and url is on his blog, along with a lot more info that I would not post here. I am surprised the site has not already been taken down.
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FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies.

Sad.

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It's easy to blame him....

IMO there's three types of bad-guys, criminals, crazies and crusaders, this guy was not a crusader.... had he been he would not have shot himself, he would have continued killing until someone else shot him.

Time for me to re-oil my .45 USP, check the ammo etc. The nuts are on the march.

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Old 08-05-2009, 11:14   #14
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pastor Rick Knapp .......
You use as an example the Tetelestai Church under Knapp who some link to Thieme? Thieme's Church was/is considered by some to be cultish.
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I’m afraid Mr. Murderer is in for a tragic realization!
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Agreed..........However I can't believe he was really saved.........

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