07-04-2009, 18:39
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New Air Force Dress Uniform?
Just saw an AF Sgt singing the national Anthem at the Rockies game wearing what I assume is the new dress uni. Standing collar, no breast pockets, 9 button front.
Not attractive. Not at all. 
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07-04-2009, 21:38
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Did they look like these? One is the Marines, one is the "new" AF prototype
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07-05-2009, 03:14
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Not everyone seems happy about it.
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07-05-2009, 05:56
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The U.S.M.C blouse is tradition based. It is also a more considerate and fitting cut.
I dont recall the U.S.A.F. ever having a uniform with standing collar.
The A.F. Uni reminds me of the old E.German Volkspolizei. They would fold excess jacket materiel at the back of the uniform, then cinch it tightly with the belt. It looked good from the front.
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07-05-2009, 06:19
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IMO it looks pretty ghetto, like a cheap sweatshop imitation of the USMC officers blouse. Will it serve as both the officers and enlisted alike dress blouse?
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07-05-2009, 07:09
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First bad copies of the Army tiger stripes, now a bad version of the Marines' Dress Blues.
Has General McPeake secretly been put back in charge of the Air Force again?
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07-05-2009, 07:39
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Originally Posted by swpa19
I dont recall the U.S.A.F. ever having a uniform with standing collar.
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WWI Army Air Corps...
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07-05-2009, 07:53
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I dont recall the U.S.A.F. ever having a uniform with standing collar
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The standing collar from the WW I tunic was worn by U.S. ARMYAir Service personell in the last 7 months of WWI.
The U.S.A.F. adapted U.S. Army uniforms (including the AF Blue Ike jacket) from 1949 to about 1964, when it adopted the "Bus Drivers" Dress Uniform.
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07-05-2009, 08:48
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And the band has Daggers? DAGGERS? bet they won't be allowed near The One with those! 
What the hell is going on with the top brass of the airplane drivers association?
Reminds me of the nuttiness of the 70s when police departments started issuing blazers to replace uniforms because they looked friendlier and "less threatening".
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07-05-2009, 09:12
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Nearly every issue of the Air Force Times, over the past year, has had articles about uniforms, and uniform changes. One of the major complaints by USAF members has been all the recent uniform changes. All these recent , and proposed, uniform issues are flying in the very face of the word "uniform".
From the late 70's through the early 90's there was a stable uniform policy that made changes rarely and with seeming forethought. Today, that seems to gone out the window. The USAF seems to be thrashing about trying to figure out what it should look like; I have to wonder if this reflects a deeper crisis? Is the USAF becoming a democraticly run branch of our military?
I do not mean to bad-mouth the USAF. I retired from Tthe USAF in late 1990, and again after Desert Storm. I was proud of the USAF and am proud to have been a member of that branch. I do believe that the USAF mission to "fly and fight" remains intact. Those on the ground are among the best able to judge that. I do hope that the current uniform distraction gets put to bed soon; this thrashing about is a detractor and makes the USAF, a great arm of our military, look a bit silly.
My $.02.
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07-05-2009, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1
Nearly every issue of the Air Force Times, over the past year, has had articles about uniforms, and uniform changes. One of the major complaints by USAF members has been all the recent uniform changes. All these recent , and proposed, uniform issues are flying in the very face of the word "uniform".
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Unfortunately the uniform changes that are occurring are not due to functionality or logical reasons, they're about ego. Some of the changes are AF Generals trying to make their mark on the AF, their legacy so to speak. Others are because they think these changes will make them warriors, not akin to giving all soldiers the black beret. What has always amused me is that they continue to disregard those out getting the work done and what they need. Like a "desert" uniform that was permanent press and twice as thick as a summer weight DCU, WTFO? They improve these new uniforms by placing 12 pen pockets on them and by making special buttons for headquarters poges, but at the same time won't let Airmen who go through Army schools like ranger or pathfinder to wear those badges, jealously anyone? It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.
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I have to wonder if this reflects a deeper crisis? Is the USAF becoming a democraticly run branch of our military?
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I don't wonder, you're spot on. It's a large part of why I left the AF after nearly 8 years (last year), you can look up some of my previous posts for the experience that junior officers are having today, as I've said before it's a broken organization.
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Those on the ground among are best able to judge that. I do hope that the current uniform distraction gets put to bed soon; this thrashing about is a detractor and makes the USAF, a great arm of our military, look a bit silly.
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Unfortunately I don't think it will, too many cooks in the kitchen, none of which has any clue what meal they're making or who they're cooking for.
Just my .02
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07-05-2009, 14:47
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Originally Posted by swpa19
The standing collar from the WW I tunic was worn by U.S. ARMYAir Service personell in the last 7 months of WWI.
The U.S.A.F. adapted U.S. Army uniforms (including the AF Blue Ike jacket) from 1949 to about 1964, when it adopted the "Bus Drivers" Dress Uniform.
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"Dress Uniform"? Class A , or Mess Dress??
The USAF class A uniform was intended to be a "business" uniform, not a bus drivers!. Adornments were down played by USAF regulations. Corps devices were limited to medical, pilot and chaplins. Finish was also a satin finish including the eagle hat device. While I wore the USAF uniform, no civilian ever asked me what bus line I drove for, most just thanked me for my service and wished me the best.
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07-05-2009, 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Flag 1
"Dress Uniform"? Class A , or Mess Dress??
The USAF class A uniform was intended to be a "business" uniform, not a bus drivers!. Adornments were down played by USAF regulations. Corps devices were limited to medical, pilot and chaplins. Finish was also a satin finish including the eagle hat device. While I wore the USAF uniform, no civilian ever asked me what bus line I drove for, most just thanked me for my service and wished me the best.
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I stand by Jim,he sounds PO'd!!!! 
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07-05-2009, 17:54
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Just don't mess with the midnight chow halls. The Army grunts need a decent place to eat... LOL
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07-06-2009, 09:19
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Out of respect of our sister service and the three nephews I have currently serving in the AF, I'll gladly retract the "Bus Driver" statement and offer my humble apologies.
I dont want to be the cause of some "Army Grunt" missing a good meal.
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