SWAT TEAM HAS TWO ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGES

swpa19 · 05-06-2009, 13:28

It says in the article that the "Firearms" accidently discharged?

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http://kdka.com/kdkainvestigators/Pi...1.html:munchin

**Box** · 05-06-2009, 13:30

them damn clumsy firearms...

...its a good thing one of them pesky guns didn't just hop right up and shoot someone.

swpa19 · 05-06-2009, 13:32

Sorry: Ill try the link again.

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http://kdka.com/kdkainvestigators/Pi...2.1002241.html

csquare · 05-06-2009, 13:52

"The officers involved have not been pulled off the SWAT team. The superintendent will determine if any disciplinary action is necessary after a complete investigation is conducted."

Hopefully they're on some type of admin/ desk deal during the on going investigation? If I was on that SWAT team, I would be upset if they were still hanging out, with the team, while this was going on.
Round found in couch? WTF?

**The Reaper** · 05-06-2009, 15:10

The weapons did not accidentally fire.

Two idiots negligently discharged their weapons in public during a call-out, and should be removed from the SWAT team and their carry privileges revoked till they have successfully completed remedial training, and demonstrated basic competency.

Why is it that articles like that never have the reporters' contact info attached?

TR

CSB · 05-06-2009, 15:28

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"We're going over the training issues with the SWAT team. We have training this month - that will be at the forefront of the training - the safety issues - how to handle a weapon when you have it in your hands mainly," Moffatt said.

Yeah, as opposed to "how to handle a weapon when you have your feet on it ..."

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The superintendent says investigators will try to determine whether the two officers had their hand on the trigger with the safety off when they accidentally fired their weapons or whether there was some sort of mechanical error with the weapons.

" ... hand on the weapon with the safety off ..."

That would be my guess. In fact, I'll go even further:

" ... finger on the trigger with the safety off ... ".

swpa19 · 05-06-2009, 15:42

Pennsylvania requires all novice hunters to attend their Basic Hunters Safety Course before being allowed to posess a hunting licensce.

The youngest member having completed the BHSC could tell these two officers EXACTLY what they did wrong.

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repositioning the bolt on the rifle and the rifle discharged."

YUP, them damn bolts will cause a discharge every time.

abc_123 · 05-06-2009, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

them damn clumsy firearms...

...its a good thing one of them pesky guns didn't just hop right up and shoot someone.

Billy,

I agree. That really keeps me up at night. I like my guns, but you know when I turn off the lights and go upstairs to go to bed, I just don't know what they do. You know, it's really kinda scary.

What DO guns really do when you're not looking...the researchers at this site are trying to answer that very question.

http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

05-06-2009, 23:07

a team working from the old Ft Bragg stockade area.

While preparing for a room clearing exercise, walking-slow speed, 6 men lined up on a set of stairs, shooter #3, shot the guy infront of him in the calf, .45 ACP, 230gr., FMJ round, no more that 2 feet from barrel to target. Missed the leg bone, but took a nice chunck of flesh.

Shooter was reloading, let the slide ride forward, finger NOT on trigger, but there was trigger wiggle, Boom! His only error was not pointing the weapon in a safe direction. The shooter volunteered to leave the unit, took a transfer to 3/25th IF DIV, Hawaii - Platoon Sgt.

Victim, an SFC/E7 18E type was in my ANCOC class later the next year. Full recovery!

mojaveman · 05-06-2009, 23:45

I think country boys that grew up with firearms are much less prone to having accidental discharges than people who have little or no experience with weapons.

I was a 95B Military Police for three years on my first enlistment and can remember witnessing no less than 6 accidental discharges. Four were with M1911A1s and two were with M1200s. One idiot shot himself through the calf but survived. All of the others were on Main Post where there were people around and luckily noboby was hit.

In the end it's operator headspace and some people just seem to have an aptitude for handling firearms while others don't.

This kid grew up in a rural area with plenty of things to shoot at.

greenberetTFS · 05-07-2009, 06:53

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Originally Posted by swpa19

Pennsylvania requires all novice hunters to attend their Basic Hunters Safety Course before being allowed to posess a hunting licensce.

The youngest member having completed the BHSC could tell these two officers EXACTLY what they did wrong.

YUP, them damn bolts will cause a discharge every time.

I agree with Pennsylvania, that requires every novice hunter attend the BHSC....

It would be great if every state did that...............

GB TFS

DbeforeD · 05-07-2009, 07:03

I was at Hill AFB in Utah 5 – 6 years ago when the sergeant in charge of our element accidently shot himself with his privately owned AR-15. I think it was a Bushmaster, if I remember correctly. Anyway, the story we heard is that had set the chambered weapon on a pile of “stuff” sitting on his tailgate. The weapon fell off the pile and discharged when it hit the ground, blowing a sizable chunk off his calf.

I have never dropped my AR-15 (knock on wood), is this a common problem with AR-15s? Or is it just with that specific manufacturer’s weapon systems? Or is this just some freak occurrence or censored story to save face? Or like the previous posts, are these weapons starting a revolt against human control? You’re the experts in this field.

**Pete** · 05-07-2009, 07:21

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Originally Posted by DbeforeD

... I think it was a Bushmaster,....

I have one. I have to keep it securely locked in my gun safe. If I don't it will slither into my office and try to bit me on the leg. I tried to use the sling to keep it tied down but it would slip free and crawl off, usually under a bed. Have a heck of a time getting it out without being bitten.

**The Reaper** · 05-07-2009, 08:01

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Originally Posted by DbeforeD

I was at Hill AFB in Utah 5 – 6 years ago when the sergeant in charge of our element accidently shot himself with his privately owned AR-15. I think it was a Bushmaster, if I remember correctly. Anyway, the story we heard is that had set the chambered weapon on a pile of “stuff” sitting on his tailgate. The weapon fell off the pile and discharged when it hit the ground, blowing a sizable chunk off his calf.

I have never dropped my AR-15 (knock on wood), is this a common problem with AR-15s? Or is it just with that specific manufacturer’s weapon systems? Or is this just some freak occurrence or censored story to save face? Or like the previous posts, are these weapons starting a revolt against human control? You’re the experts in this field.

Sounds like a BS excuse to avoid admitting that he had a loaded weapon off safe pointed at himself and something, likely his finger, hit the trigger.

I have seen a lot of loaded weapons dropped, and other than an old Colt SAA, I have never seen one fire when dropped.

TR

DbeforeD · 05-07-2009, 08:10

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Originally Posted by Pete

I have one. I have to keep it securely locked in my gun safe. If I don't it will slither into my office and try to bit me on the leg. I tried to use the sling to keep it tied down but it would slip free and crawl off, usually under a bed. Have a heck of a time getting it out without being bitten.

Well you dont have the shedding problem i have with my DPMS.