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Old 02-27-2009, 11:52   #1
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Senate to look into effectiveness of CIA methods

Diane "Oh, should I have said that?" Feinstein and the Senate Intelligence (Hah!) Committee are at it again. With enemies like these...

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Senate to look into effectiveness of CIA methods
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Friday, February 27, 2009

Anecdotes, news reports and even the many times "24" agent Jack Bauer has saved the country on TV aren't enough to convince the Senate Intelligence Committee that the CIA's harsh interrogation methods actually work.

Lawmakers are investigating the interrogation program begun during the Bush administration in an attempt to inject fact into the public debate over those methods, Senate officials said Thursday. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details of the committee's discussions.

Advocates of harsh interrogations say some prisoners are trained to resist standard techniques and only more coercive methods will break their will. That's the popular depiction of harsh interrogation in movies like "Taken" and the Fox TV series "24," in which a government agent often tortures a suspect into giving up valuable information.

However, critics of coercive interrogations say they do not work because those subjected to them will say whatever they think the interrogator wants to hear to make the interrogation stop. Other approaches are more effective, they maintain.

President Barack Obama halted the CIA's interrogation program in January. The spy agency is now prohibited from employing methods not approved for use by the U.S. military while the program undergoes a White House review to determine whether additional interrogation methods may be necessary.

The Senate committee review seeks to document what actually happened during CIA interrogations and whether valuable information was gained that would not have been obtained otherwise. A report is expected to be released in six months to a year.

The Senate probe is not meant as a first step toward prosecuting CIA officers who used harsh interrogations, the officials said. Obama administration officials have said they will not seek charges against those who were following guidelines set by the attorney general.

The Intelligence Committee is already investigating the CIA's destruction in 2007 of videotapes of the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah in 2007 to encompass the origins and effectiveness of the so-called "enhanced interrogation program" authorized by President George W. Bush. Scores of secret documents have already been assembled by the committee.

The CIA's enhanced interrogation methods are secret. But former CIA Director Michael Hayden told reporters in January that the tactics_ at one point they included waterboarding, which simulates drowning _ were effective in eliciting information from the more hardened terror suspects who are taken prisoner.

The CIA held fewer than 100 prisoners at secret detention sites and used enhanced interrogation techniques on about a third of them, Hayden said. He said just three underwent waterboarding, with 2003 the last time it was used.

"I am convinced that the program got the maximum amount of information, particularly out of that first generation of detainees. The Abu Zubaydahs, the Khalid Sheik Muhammeds," Hayden said, referring to top al-Qaida operatives who were detained and questioned with harsh techniques. "I just can't conceive of any other way, given their character, given their commitment to what it is they do."

Current CIA Director Leon Panetta, however, is less convinced.

"My personal view at this stage is that the Army Field Manual gives us all of the tools we need," Panetta said Thursday at his first on-the-record meeting with reporters.

Committee member Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., a Senate confidant of Obama's, said in January that declassifying many of the top-secret documents collected for the videotape investigation would reveal whether severe methods yielded useful intelligence, and what the legal arguments were for allowing them.
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Old 03-07-2009, 19:25   #2
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The administration of hope and change or politics as usual?

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CIA Vets Blast Senate Probe of Operations Under Bush
Bobby Ghosh, Time, 6 Mar 2009

For a handful of CIA operatives who were on the frontlines of the war on terror in the early months and years after 9/11, it's the stuff of nightmares. After all, they did their job as their political masters defined it, using tools and techniques approved by their lawyers. Then came an election, and a new set of political masters, who have begun second-guessing everything they did before. Suddenly there is lots of talk about "violations" and "wrong-doing," the promise of formal investigations and hearings, and the very real possibility that their life savings could go to defense lawyers.

Unfortunately for them, that nightmare looks like it may soon become frighteningly real. Against the wishes of the agency's popular new leader, the CIA is in the crosshairs of two powerful Democratic Senators who are determined to get to the bottom of the Agency's more controversial operations. And not even the White House has been able to get them to back off.

Dianne Feinstein confirmed Thursday that her Senate Intelligence Committee will investigate the CIA's interrogation and detention programs under the Bush Administration, a probe that she expects to take a year. The Californian seems to be reading from the same playbook as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy, who this week reiterated his call for a 'truth commission' into the Bush Administration's national security policies, including wiretapping, treatment of detainees and even the politicization of the Justice Department.


(cont'd) http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...883383,00.html
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Old 03-07-2009, 19:48   #3
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Here we go again, with another Church committee.
Why do the names “Jimmy” Carter and Stansfield M. Turner keep shrieking thru my mind.
Say good-bye to the “Clandestine Service”

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Old 03-08-2009, 09:08   #4
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I just don't see how giving our enemies clothes, shelter, and three squares a day with no "interogation" is going to yield anything but more trouble. It's not like the CIA is employing the Pershing method......mmmmm, wait a minute.


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Old 03-08-2009, 10:19   #5
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The administration of hope and change or politics as usual?

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[Dianne Feinstein confirmed Thursday that her Senate Intelligence Committee will investigate the CIA's interrogation and detention programs under the Bush Administration, a probe that she expects to take a year. The Californian seems to be reading from the same playbook as Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy, who this week reiterated his call for a 'truth commission' into the Bush Administration's national security policies, including wiretapping, treatment of detainees and even the politicization of the Justice Department.[/I]

(cont'd) http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...883383,00.html
Am very confused...Her website has left out Her military service and intelligence training, that would qualify her as an expert in dealing with Terrorists... must have been an oversight!

Maybe she has never heard that, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem?"

Just my .00002 opinion.

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http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/i...anne.Biography

"In addition to her official committee assignments, Senator Feinstein is also a member of several organizations and associations. Among Senator Feinstein’s many affiliations, she serves as Co-Chair of the Senate Cancer Coalition, the Anti-Meth Caucus, the Congressional Dairy Caucus and the Congressional Former Mayors Caucus. She has served as a member of the Aspen Strategy Group since 1997."

"A native of San Francisco, she was elected to the San Francisco County Board of Supervisors in 1969 and served 2 ½ terms as President of the Board."

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Assault Weapons Ban - Prohibiting the manufacture and sale of 19types of military-style assault weapons from 1994-2004."

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Old 03-08-2009, 10:29   #6
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The less-than-honorable Senator Feinstein has just thrown her political hat into the running for Governor of the $42B in the red State of California. So has Jerry Brown, the former Linda Ronstadt consort (while being paid as Governor) and Mayor of Oakland. Gavin Newsome, San Francisco's current Mayor, is also considering a run for Governor. Hang on to your hats out there on the left coast - the show is only beginning.

Or maybe it's just a ploy by the current administration to take everyone's attention away from the chicanery of the current crop of Polecatus Washingtonum holding office.

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Said in Homer Simpson sotto voice, " Hmmmmmm. Pershing method."
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Old 03-09-2009, 17:37   #8
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Isn't Senate Intelligence an oxymoron?
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