02-19-2009, 08:59
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Stimulus Contains $10 Million in ATF Gun-Tracing Funding
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02-19-2009, 10:05
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Looks like a good idea to me.
Good job ATF people!
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02-19-2009, 10:17
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...an ATF operation on the Southwest border the agency says will "deny firearms, the 'tools of the trade,' to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border.
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Why can't they just be truthful and say, '...will attempt to deny...' or some such statement? 
Richard's $.02 
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02-19-2009, 10:21
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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Mexico proves that statement is true.
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When will the Project Gunrunner become a national operation? If it stays localized to the SW border, cool, but I'd hate to see it abused to harm law-abiding Americans in the future.
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02-19-2009, 10:25
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Why can't they just be truthful and say, '...will attempt to deny...' or some such statement?
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LOL, they have hit here in the Phoenix area where some "gun store owner" was in fact selling lots of guns to the mexican assholes and was caught red-handed. Son of a bitch made some serious dough too, before they caught him.
Next thing we're going to hear is that Arizona is violating the "civil rights" of the illegals by denying them guns.....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-rights-case/
the lawyers that took the side of the "ILLEGALS" should be banished, or worse. This story made my blood boil, not that the illegals went after the rancher but that some lawyer actually took their case and brought it to court. The jury, idiots. Tucson you get all you deserve.
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02-19-2009, 12:26
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"A federal jury in Tucson ruled Tuesday that an Arizona rancher did not violate the civil rights of 16 Mexican nationals he stopped after they sneaked illegally into the United States,
but awarded $78,000 in actual and punitive damages on claims of assault and the infliction of emotional distress."
What a crock of SH*T! 
No doubt, this placation is sure to spread via word-of-mouth, to ALL;
"Si hombre, go ahead and come...bring your stash and guns...Estados Unidos will give you money too!"
Holly 
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02-19-2009, 13:42
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Remember - Tucson is to Arizona what Boulder is to Colorado. (Of course, we also have a bunch of morons up around Flagstaff and Sedona...) 
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02-19-2009, 14:27
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Remember - Tucson is to Arizona what Boulder is to Colorado. (Of course, we also have a bunch of morons up around Flagstaff and Sedona...) |
LOL Sir...
Well, "Gun-Tracing Funding" is certainly one was to go for the Left...but at least I am confident that my "friends" on the Right know how to point, aim, and shoot their firearms! 
Holly
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02-19-2009, 15:41
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Remember - Tucson is to Arizona what Boulder is to Colorado. (Of course, we also have a bunch of morons up around Flagstaff and Sedona...) |
See, now I thought that was Bisbee.
TR
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02-19-2009, 20:34
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the lawyers that took the side of the "ILLEGALS" should be banished, or worse. This story made my blood boil, not that the illegals went after the rancher but that some lawyer actually took their case and brought it to court. The jury, idiots. Tucson you get all you deserve.
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IMO, that lawyer is committing treason.
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02-19-2009, 21:34
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See, now I thought that was Bisbee.
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I'm a long-time Arizonan and tend to forget (on purpose) how some places are changing. A lot of southern Arizona is being "Californicated," as is Prescott and many other places.
Bisbee is probably getting that way, too. I just haven't been down there enough lately to check. For all I know, so is the "town too tough to die" - Tombstone - which used to be a hell of a place to party if you were spending time at "Ft. Hoochie-Koochie"! 
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02-20-2009, 09:17
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Remember - Tucson is to Arizona what Boulder is to Colorado. (Of course, we also have a bunch of morons up around Flagstaff and Sedona...) |
Sure, go ahead and rub it in. 
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02-26-2009, 11:47
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Guns From U.S. Play Key Role In Mexican Violence
Guns From U.S. Play Key Role In Mexican Violence
Though one direction usually gets most of the attention, smuggling between the U.S. and Mexico is actually a two-way street.
ATF Agent Bill Newell says that drugs coming north and guns and ammunition going south has been fueling a war between drug cartels and law enforcement — a war that left thousands dead last year.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=100872502
I'm sure all this is fueling the debate amongst the White House policy makers.
Richard's $.02
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02-26-2009, 13:25
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Maybe the Mexican government should weigh in to get our goverment to finish building the wall. After all it IS all about keeping our guns in America.
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02-26-2009, 19:26
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Remember - Tucson is to Arizona what Boulder is to Colorado. (Of course, we also have a bunch of morons up around Flagstaff and Sedona...) |
That ain't no shit!
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