02-09-2009, 12:26
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16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border. 
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/
I wonder WTF kind of lawyer would even consider taking a case like this one! 
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02-09-2009, 12:30
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There Ain't No Justice.
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02-09-2009, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Richard
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border. |
And why did these ILLEGALS feel that They could sue?
IMHO, there is a feeling amongst immigrants, that the current administration favors them...and ALL of their countrymen. It is sad and sick at the same time.
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02-09-2009, 13:15
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It's incredible that this is happening in our country.....
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02-09-2009, 13:21
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What's even more disturbing is the fact they will probably win.
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02-09-2009, 13:22
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Joke or reality?
Thougth about posting this in the comedy zone but unfortunately it's no joke. This thread warrants it more......
This is tooooooooo weird!
Have you ever noticed that if you rearrange the letters in "illegal immigrants" and add a few more letters, it actually spells out: "F * ck off and go home all you benefit stealing, kid producing, no English-speaking cocksuckers, and take those beard growing, sandal wearing, bomb making, goat f * cking, mutton eating, smelly raghead bastards with you."
How weird is that ??
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02-09-2009, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Richard
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/
I wonder WTF kind of lawyer would even consider taking a case like this one!
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The scary thing is there are a lot of Lawyers out there that would take this case. Illegal is Illegal and I personally think they should have no rights as they are illegal in our country and should only have the right to exit.
Just my 2 cents.
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02-09-2009, 13:47
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I wonder WTF kind of lawyer would even consider taking a case like this one!
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In all probability, it was a lawyer who took a look at Mr. Barnett's bank accounts, land-holdings, and net worth.
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02-09-2009, 13:54
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In all probability, it was a lawyer who took a look at Mr. Barnett's bank accounts, land-holdings, and net worth. |
Exactly.
Anyone think we might want to consider a loser pays system?
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02-09-2009, 14:16
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Interestingly enough the article says nothing about the plantiff's being charged with their admitted crimes here... I wonder if anyone in the new administration has the cajones to go to bat on that one?
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02-09-2009, 15:14
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One problem is that there is no benefit in suing the illegals. Even if the rancher won, there would be nothing to collect. A loser-pays approach would need to make plaintiff's counsel personally liable. (evil grin).
An additional concern is that juries may favor the plaintiffs - that hints at underlying changes in the way society views property rights, the right of self-defense, and immigration laws.
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02-09-2009, 15:19
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It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
I think that is awesome, way to go, Mr. Barnett. Wish more would do the same!!!
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
US District Judge? Are they sure, b/c it looks more like he is working on behalf of Mexico and it's assistance to illegal immigrants into our country. Since when do illegal immigrants have rights under our constitution?
Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, I guess MALDEF likes twisting things around.....
http://www.maldef.org/news/press.cfm...&FromIndex=yes
ARIZONA SUPREME COURT REJECTS APPEAL OF VIGILANTE RANCHER WHO ATTACKED U.S. CITIZENS ON ARIZONA BORDER
Vigilante?
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02-09-2009, 15:27
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One problem is that there is no benefit in suing the illegals. Even if the rancher won, there would be nothing to collect. A loser-pays approach would need to make plaintiff's counsel personally liable. (evil grin).
An additional concern is that juries may favor the plaintiffs - that hints at underlying changes in the way society views property rights, the right of self-defense, and immigration laws.
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"Nmap,"
I was thinking of the federal charges for entering into our country illegally. If memory serves me correctly this potentially carries federal penitentary time, also possibly in conjunction with state prison time, fines, etc... as well as mandatory repatriation at the time of their release. Since they've admitted to the crime in the process of their civil trial, one would think that the court and the US Atty. would be morally, ethically and legally compelled to prosecute. I could be looking at this wrong though. Perhaps, some of our experts could shed more light on this?
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02-09-2009, 15:30
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"Nmap,"
I was thinking of the federal charges for entering into our country illegally. If memory serves me correctly this potentially carries federal penitentary time, also possibly in conjunction with state prison time, fines, etc... as well as mandatory repatriation at the time of their release. Since they've admitted to the crime in the process of their civil trial, one would think that the court and the US Atty. would be morally, ethically and legally compelled to prosecute. I could be looking at this wrong though. Perhaps, some of our experts could shed more light on this?
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A new use for gitmo, it would be a shame to let the infrastructure go to waste.
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02-09-2009, 16:44
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Larry Niven fans aside, could TANJ also mean "Trial Attorneys of New Jersey"?
www.tanj.org
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