12-01-2008, 20:58
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Army Short Range Marksmanship
Anybody know of any unclassified manuals besides FM 3-22.9 that address the subject?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
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12-01-2008, 21:40
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AMU Pisto Marksmanship Manual
Here is a link to AMU Pistol Marksmanship Manual
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/S...l/Amu-pmtg.htm
May want to get the SFUAC Manual too, just drop by USAJFKSWCS DOTD if at Bragg or give them a call for a copy. 
You can get on SIPR too I beleive.
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12-04-2008, 03:06
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SFUAC Manual?
Do you have a phone number for the Bldg. the unit is in or an address and Bldg. number. Iam interested in the manual and have friends in Fayetteville area who could stop by and get the manual. Any further info is appreciated. Regard's, tom kelly e-mail kellymedica333@aol.com
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12-04-2008, 12:25
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IM and e-mail sent.
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12-04-2008, 15:23
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The last time I checked the current SFAUC manual was classified Confidential for TTPs. Not sure it will meet your needs under those conditions.
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12-04-2008, 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrino
The last time I checked the current SFAUC manual was classified Confidential for TTPs. Not sure it will meet your needs under those conditions.
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Same thing I heard.
No distribution outside of official channels.
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12-11-2008, 22:11
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SRM
The AMU has a CQM course offered through ATRRS. I don't know who is doing the instructing for that particular course, but they might have something in line with what you are looking for.
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12-12-2008, 23:40
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I'm good fellows thanks. The FMs are a little scanty on the subject aren't they...LOL
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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12-13-2008, 10:18
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CQC Manual
The Infantry School published Military Operations Other than War (MOOTWZ 206) in January 1994, post-Mogadishu.
It was basically the SF CQC Manual hijacked by the Ranger Regiment with an official Infantry Center and School cover. Directorate of Doctrine no longer publishes it.
It had all the Training Evaluation Outlines (TEOs) with Tasks, Conditions, and Standards and number of rounds and ordnance required, along with DODICs.
It was WAY watered down and published as a change to the Infantryman's Guide to Urban Combat, then thinned and watered down again and is in the new guide.
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12-29-2008, 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinister
The Infantry School published Military Operations Other than War (MOOTWZ 206) in January 1994, post-Mogadishu.
It was basically the SF CQC Manual hijacked by the Ranger Regiment with an official Infantry Center and School cover. Directorate of Doctrine no longer publishes it.
It had all the Training Evaluation Outlines (TEOs) with Tasks, Conditions, and Standards and number of rounds and ordnance required, along with DODICs.
It was WAY watered down and published as a change to the Infantryman's Guide to Urban Combat, then thinned and watered down again and is in the new guide.
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Sinister,
What "new guide" are you talking about?
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12-29-2008, 19:14
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FM 3-06.11 COMBINED ARMS OPERATIONS IN URBAN TERRAIN
New manual, but no Task-Conditions-Standards Training Evaluation Outlines (it's all 1-over-the-world "Schoolbook Solution" shit without the nuts and bolts so E6 Squad Leaders and E5 Buck Sergeants can run training).
The TEOs made it into the draft M16 manual but were cut out in 1986 and 2006 or 07.
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