06-04-2004, 17:35
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Tenets Replacement
Tenet is just about history. Who do you think will get his job?
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06-04-2004, 17:39
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The question is who will, not who should, right?
I'd say Giuliani.
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06-04-2004, 19:58
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Quote:
Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
The question is who will, not who should, right?
I'd say Giuliani.
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The Administration does not appear to have the stomach for a contentious confirmation battle before the election. Senate Democrats will also try to use the hearings to revisit the message they tried with the 9/11 Commission (which seems to be "damned if you do, damned if you don't" regarding everything from profiling to preemption). I expect a non-controversial low-key professional intelligence type promoted from within. Someone like John McLaughlin (the one that doesn't yell at Mort Kondracke and Freddie "the Beetle" Barnes). I also expect that "damned if you do, damned if you don't" will apply and no matter how "non-controversial", SenDems will try to turn it ugly. The alternative is to appoint an interim director and wait until after the election to send someone for confirmation.
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06-04-2004, 20:01
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The Administration does not appear to have the stomach for a contentious confirmation battle before the election.
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This is why I think Giuliani has to be the favorite if he'll take the job. He still is riding the wave of his 9-11 glory. He'd be tough to oppose.
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06-05-2004, 05:07
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I should get the job. I'd do it correctly, without worrying about politics.
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06-05-2004, 13:34
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Forgive me if I'm a bit uninformed on the subject, but what qualifications would Giuliani bring with him, other than public esteem for his 9/11 activities? IIRC, isn't his background as crusader-type public prosecutor (Eliot Spitzer-type) before he took elected office? Is there some intelligence-type work in there that I'm missing? Or are you mentioning him solely because of current public opinion/popularity?
(Unrelated: ha! 100 posts) 
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06-05-2004, 16:08
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Forgive me if I'm a bit uninformed on the subject, but what qualifications would Giuliani bring with him, other than public esteem for his 9/11 activities? IIRC, isn't his background as crusader-type public prosecutor (Eliot Spitzer-type) before he took elected office?
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The comparrison of Rudy to that attention whore Spitzer are grossly unfair. Spitzer has made his public name going after corporate fraud while Rudy on the other hand made his chops by kicking the legs out from under organized crime. Rudy had to deal with the very real threat of some wise guy putting a bullet behind his ear but it never seemed to slow him down.
I don't think the next DCI has to have ties to the Intelligence community, after all, the first President Bush was a former DCI with no intelligence background. Rudy has proven that he is able to turn around a bloody mess that was the NYC government after four years of David Dinkins.
The man has the brains and the star power to stand up to some of the more outspoken members of Congress. His demanding but fair management style will do wonders in Langley. Some of the career civil severants will hate his guts because he will force them to perform when no one else has but in the end ,much like NYC, the CIA will be much better off after his tenure than before.
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06-05-2004, 21:02
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The people who should be at the bottom of the list for DCI are anyone with a background in Law Enforcement or the District Attorney's office.
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06-06-2004, 09:14
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Porter Gross - after the election
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06-06-2004, 09:20
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The people who should be at the bottom of the list for DCI are anyone with a background in Law Enforcement or the District Attorney's office.
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Cop hater!
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06-06-2004, 11:20
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Cop hater!
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Not true. I just spent the morning learning some neat tricks from the DC ERT team.
But Law Enforcement and lawyers have the wrong mindset for running intel collection and analysis.
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06-06-2004, 11:23
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Porter Gross - after the election
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Fuck yeah. A fellow Bearcat.
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06-06-2004, 17:28
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Goss
A fellow Floridian (albeit not a native).
Goss might be a good choice, but he has little chance. George H.W. Bush is the only former Congressman to serve as DCI, and he only served two terms and had other jobs in between. As chairman of the Permanent Select Committee, Goss has been in a position to make a lot of enemies in the IC. He is also a conservative - his lifetime ACU and ADA ratings are 87 and 9, respectively. Abortion may have nothing to do with intelligence collection and analysis, but it is another reason for Democrats to try to use a confirmation battle as a way of rallying the base for the election.
McLaughlin will serve as interim director until after the election. The only significant change of course might be to form a blue ribbon panel on reforming the intelligence community. Building on the 9/11 Commission report (due in July I think) and other reports and reviews, this would present whomever is inaugurated next January with an opportunity to not just appoint a new director, but find a new direction.
In the long run, who is DCI might not matter as much if he is no longer dual-hatted as chairman of the IC and director of one of the agencies within that community.
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06-06-2004, 17:50
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You think he's too old or too political?
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06-06-2004, 17:55
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But Law Enforcement and lawyers have the wrong mindset for running intel collection and analysis.
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Mmmm
"was a member of the New York City "Establishment," a powerful Wall Street lawyer and a Columbia Law classmate (1907) of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, although they were not close at the time."
"After the war, he was the US Attorney for the Western District of New York, famous for his energetic enforcement of Prohibition, and he ran unsuccessfully for public office. President Calvin Coolidge named him to the Justice Department's Antitrust Division."
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He knows only The Cause.
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