Can Obama Lose?

[Paslode]

While driving around today I was thinking about the election it crossed my that a McCain victory might still equate to a victory for Obama if he were a revolutionary?

His revolution, the quiet one, where he goes through the paces in the election process and achieves victory by winning the election with the most electoral votes and then begins to re-shape America as we know it into a Socialist State. The other revolution, If McCain wins, you have may have hundreds of thousands of people (maybe a million people) in Chicago a perfect catalyst for an un-impedible angry mob, that inturn leads riots which spread like wild fire from city to city.

My thought was if Obama were truely as radical as many make him out to be, with a radical socialist/marxist ideology, hell bent on changing how America lives and breathes, with large masses who blindly follow his call, a propaganda machine in the MSM.....If he were truely a revolutionary (in the sense of a Hitler, Castro, Che, Wiliam Ayers, Hugo Chavez) it would seem he is well on his way to achieving his goals in either senario.

That might delve into the tinfoil arena, but what if?

[Sigaba]

The expectation of Senator Obama's victory is so high that I am beginning to wonder what would happen were McCain to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

I would like to think that cooler heads within the Democratic Party would prove to have the character, fortitude, and love of their country that I don't think they posses and accept the decision of the American voters.

To take your scenario one step farther into the realm of what-if, consider this. Senator Obama loses, his supporters become a mob, the mob walks the edge of mass violence, and then Senator Obama sends them home. From that point, it would be hard to argue that he wouldn't be among the most powerful men in America because he "saved" America from itself.

Musing aside, I am not a big believer in conspiracy theories: Americans can't keep secrets. I don't see Senator Obama as having a subversive socialist, fascist, or communist agenda.

I see him as being a critically flawed, not especially bright human being with the mindset of a pimp, a poorly reasoned political viewpoint, an asinine theory of land warfare, a sophomoric view of race relations, a unhealthy amount of contempt for African Americans (and Americans generally), what may be some sort of narcissistic personality disorder, and the least attractive spouse of any modern day American politician--even on her wedding day, Mrs. Obama had an ugly soul. Other than that...*

Originally Posted by Paslode

While driving around today I was thinking about the election it crossed my that a McCain victory might still equate to a victory for Obama if he were a revolutionary?

His revolution, the quiet one, where he goes through the paces in the election process and achieves victory by winning the election with the most electoral votes and then begins to re-shape America as we know it into a Socialist State. The other revolution, If McCain wins, you have may have hundreds of thousands of people (maybe a million people) in Chicago a perfect catalyst for an un-impedible angry mob, that inturn leads riots which spread like wild fire from city to city.

My thought was if Obama were truely as radical as many make him out to be, with a radical socialist/marxist ideology, hell bent on changing how America lives and breathes, with large masses who blindly follow his call, a propaganda machine in the MSM.....If he were truely a revolutionary (in the sense of a Hitler, Castro, Che, Wiliam Ayers, Hugo Chavez) it would seem he is well on his way to achieving his goals in either senario.

That might delve into the tinfoil arena, but what if?

* I am not bitter. Not even a little.

[SF_BHT]

Hummmmm

Can Obama Lose? YES but only the shadow knows tonight. In 24hrs we may know.

[nmap]

Perhaps he will lose the most by winning.

Let's suppose, purely for the sake of discussion, that on Nov. 6th or so, he has won both the popular and electoral votes. In addition, suppose Democrats have control of both houses of Congress. They will have all the governmental power, with essentially no restrictions.

So...as they take office...what if the economy experiences significant additional decline? Say, unemployment on the order of 10%? A budget deficit in excess of $1.5 Trillion? Add in additional business failures across the land.

They have indicated a willingness to raise taxes and implement a carbon tax scheme; these are likely to place additional stress on an already troubled economy.

Congressional elections occur in 2010. Will they have the economy humming along by then? Maybe. But I'm noticing a lot of people who expect recession to linger throughout 2009, with a slow, lackluster recovery thereafter.

And then there is the issue of foreign affairs. His supporters seem to prefer withdrawal, disengagement, and a reduced military budget. If that path is followed, what are the likely outcomes? Will there be a crises, will a flashpoint ignite? What if Saudi Arabia falls to extremists? What if Pakistan becomes a failed state? No doubt others can point to additional areas. How will America react if he generates failure and defeat in the global arena?

He may win the office. I suspect, however, that he will become remarkably unpopular.

[PSM]

When he loses, does anyone have a SoCal number for the Cavalry?

Pat

[kgoerz]

I was standing outside the Hotel here in Chicago talking to the Door Man. Two ladies walked by and said "Make sure you Vote" We both replied "already did it" They replied without missing a beat "Well Vote again"
Freaking unbeleivable....

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by PSM

When he loses, does anyone have a SoCal number for the Cavalry?

Pat

5.56-7.62

TR

[Geo]

Stood behind a fellow today who was obviously voting for the first time. Although he appeared to be 30 ish, it took him three attempts (3 different ballots) to finally get the computer to accept his ballot. It was comical watching the proctor explain to him,"if you vote the Democratic Straight Ticket, you don't need to fill out the rest of the ballot, you're confusing the machine." I hate to say it, but with these people coming to the polls, it's not looking good for America.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

5.56-7.62

TR

I've got those numbers already, TR.

[HQ6]

Originally Posted by nmap

Perhaps he will lose the most by winning....

He may win the office. I suspect, however, that he will become remarkably unpopular.

I was just discussing this. I think regardless of who wins tonight, they will have an uphill battle for reelection. I suspect that if Obama wins, he will be a one term president and Congressional control will shift hands in 2010.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by HQ6

I was just discussing this. I think regardless of who wins tonight, they will have an uphill battle for reelection. I suspect that if Obama wins, he will be a one term president and Congressional control will shift hands in 2010.

What if Senator Obama is elected and turns out to be an exceptionally effective president? This effectiveness could be either as a very liberal president or as a pragmatist or even a politically advantageous mix of the two.

In this scenario, even his most ardent critics (such as members of this forum) would have no choice but to say "well, I disagree with him on issues A, B, C, and D, but he sure got it right on issues X, Y, and Z."

[DanUCSB]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

What if Senator Obama is elected and turns out to be an exceptionally effective president?

Even were this to happen, he'd be dragged down by the sea anchors called Pelosi and Reid. Far more likely is the 'be careful what you wish for' curse: with the executive and legislative in one pocket, the Dems can no longer blame all of their failings on the Big Bad Republicans, and the citizenry will see the end result of their 'free stuff for everyone!' fantasies. We'll have four years of unfortunate Dem control, and then the pendulum will swing back.

Dan

[JGarcia]

I am not so hopeful about a Democratic triumvirate in Washington.

I think that they will succumb to the far left wing of their party and remove any moderate Dems from committee's or positions of influence. Then alter the playing field (talk radio, open borders, "free" money, castrate the supreme court) to prevent a right wing comeback. I think they will start these little civilian security forces (composed of his supporters) and pay them from the tax money they remove from the defense budget, for starters.

Call me crazy, but I am watching for this to happen.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by DanUCSB

Even were this to happen, he'd be dragged down by the sea anchors called Pelosi and Reid. Far more likely is the 'be careful what you wish for' curse: with the executive and legislative in one pocket, the Dems can no longer blame all of their failings on the Big Bad Republicans, and the citizenry will see the end result of their 'free stuff for everyone!' fantasies. We'll have four years of unfortunate Dem control, and then the pendulum will swing back.

Dan

I agree that Speaker of the House Pelosi and Senator Reid are detriments to any cause they profess to support.

However, as president, Mr. Obama could run against Bush the Younger's record again. (I am expecting Mr. Obama to start campaigning for re-election in February 2009. Thus far, he's shown no inclination to do the job he was elected to perform, why would that change now?) He could trot out some argument that the GOP screwed things up so badly, that he needs another four years to clean out the special interests and to bring about lasting 'change.'

My goal here is to suggest a different trajectory of worst case scenarios in which Senator Obama wins, wins big, and continues to win for years to come, and some of these victories actually benefit the United States of America. What then?

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by DanUCSB

Even were this to happen, he'd be dragged down by the sea anchors called Pelosi and Reid. Far more likely is the 'be careful what you wish for' curse: with the executive and legislative in one pocket, the Dems can no longer blame all of their failings on the Big Bad Republicans, and the citizenry will see the end result of their 'free stuff for everyone!' fantasies. We'll have four years of unfortunate Dem control, and then the pendulum will swing back.

Dan

Concur.

Despite some of the centrist movement by Obama and the Dims during the campaign, they will go left hard immediately after the election, and there will be no POTUS with the veto pen to stop them any more.

Obama is no Bill Clinton, he is a hard core liberal with a socialist agenda.

Harry and Nancy will strong arm their majorities to pass whatever agenda they want. 25% cut in the military budget? Done. Permanent passage of the AWB? Done. Ginsberg clones for the SCOTUS? Done. Tax increases to pay for giveaways to non-taxpayers? Done. Citizenship for illegal aliens? Done. Traety with the Iranians? Done. Unilateral disarmament? Done. Repeal of the death penalty? Done. New Fairness Doctrine? Done.

They can't help it, they are Dims.

2010 will be a bloodbath for them as voters see who they really are.

Unless they can get money in the pockets of 51% of the population. If that happens, we are all done for.

TR