McCain pulls ahead of Obama

rubberneck · 10-31-2008, 19:59

According to Drudge the new Zogby poll has McCain beating Obama by a point. More importantly he is winning certain demographics that Obama needs to win in the swing states.

Since there is no direct link available I trust the mods will take down this quote from Drudge if they deem it inappropriate.

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ZOGBY SATURDAY: McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday poll. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...

Paslode · 10-31-2008, 20:24

I am praying your right, but only time will tell. If 'The One' wins, the homeland may become a strange place, he he loses God only knows....damned if he does, damned if he don't IHMO.

So yesterday, I put in a vote for a Smith & Wesson and a CCW just case.

kgoerz · 11-01-2008, 11:24

Latest Polls on the FNC Sight has Obama 50% McCain 43%
The electoral Map looks even worse then that for McCain.
As much as it pains me to even think this. I predict a land side win for Obama. Based on comparing the current poles (State and National) to past elections. Clinton had only a six point lead on Dole when he beat him by a large margin in the electoral vote. Hope I am wrong.

rubberneck · 11-01-2008, 11:33

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

Latest Polls on the FNC Sight has Obama 50% McCain 43%
The electoral Map looks even worse then that for McCain.
As much as it pains me to even think this. I predict a land side win for Obama. Based on comparing the current poles (State and National) to past elections. Clinton had only a six point lead on Dole when he beat him by a large margin in the electoral vote. Hope I am wrong.

The difference between the FNC Poll and the Zogby poll is that the Zogby poll is a one day poll. It is more likely to show a change in the undecideds.

kgoerz · 11-01-2008, 11:41

Zogby has Obama 49% McCain 44%

But here is the link to the Zogby Electoral Map. Just click on the State to get the polling. Obama is leading in every toss up State. Click on Ohio and read the last sentence, So who is voting based on Race????

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

rubberneck · 11-01-2008, 11:53

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

Zogby has Obama 49% McCain 44%

But here is the link to the Zogby Electoral Map. Just click on the State to get the polling. Obama is leading in every toss up State. Click on Ohio and read the last sentence, So who is voting based on Race????

http://www.zogby.com/50state/

That is Zogby's three day poll. As we get closer to election day many of the undecided voters are going to start to break one way or the other. That is why his one day (the last of those three days) results are interesting as they might show the undecideds starting to break heavily in McCain's favor.

kgoerz · 11-01-2008, 12:04

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Originally Posted by rubberneck

That is Zogby's three day poll. As we get closer to election day many of the undecided voters are going to start to break one way or the other. That is why his one day (the last of those three days) results are interesting as they might show the undecideds starting to break heavily in McCain's favor.

I hope your right. It will make for an interesting Tuesday night here in Chicago. We deployed here this weekend. Where close to one Million people are expected to attend his Victory or Defeat speech.
I think there will be rioting no matter what the results. But if he looses we are prepared for the worse. One Million Obama Voters in the same area is not good. I am sure if its close in favor of McCain the MSM will feed the fire with all the accusations about voter suppression.

HQ6 · 11-01-2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

I hope your right. It will make for an interesting Tuesday night here in Chicago. We deployed here this weekend.

I am gonna go a head and vote regardless of the polls

Particularly in NC where the race is tight, it is imperative that everyone votes. For the first time ever, I really feel like my vote might actually make a difference in the outcome.

However, regardless of who wins, I suspect there will be calls of voter fraud and/or suppression. I took my mom to vote this morning (she is disabled and does curbside voting). They didn't ask for picture identification and were registering people at the voting poll with just "proof" of address. I suspect that by the time they weed out the "vote early, vote often" contingency, the race will be/is tighter than it appears.

Red Flag 1 · 11-01-2008, 12:24

Polls are very important; especially for those who conduct them, and are payed to conduct them. I have to wonder if the polls influence elections?

The number of polls conducted today allow voters, and media, to pick and choose; designer polls! What a great idea

. Earlier today, I heard a figure as to the number of polls out there; close to 500 if my aged brain recalls correctly. So what value do the polls have? Consider the "exit" polls of the 2000 election.

IMHO, the real problem, media aside, is the "voter fraud" issue that will rise after the election. There is ample ground for each side to tie up the election into the spring of 2009. There are teams of lawyers in place. With that having been presented, of what value is any poll???

I pray for a clean, massive McCain/Palin win!

RF 1

kgoerz · 11-01-2008, 16:36

Don't mean to be the bearer of doom and gloom. Even if McCain wins the States up for grabs (Florida, Ohio, NC, CO) It still wont give him the needed amount of electoral votes. Also the percentage of undecided is very low in these States. That means he must not only win over ALL the undecided votes but turn Obama supporters into McCain supporters. He also needs to turn a couple of Blue States into Red States.
This is all based on the polls. I hope they are all wrong, all of them.

HQ6 · 11-01-2008, 17:02

Many of the states that are "red" are really "pink" and only polled the "lean Obama" (in some case by less than the margin for error). Also, much of this data (1 in 7 at the last look) includes undecided voters who claim to still be presuadable. It is much of what has been discussed on her re: Bradley Effect. If the polls look bad enough, maybe we just won't bother voting. Hence, you must (1) not let the polls stop you from voting and (2) look long and hard at the data behind the map.

Have faith and don't give up until the fat lady sings

Edited to add... I am a idoit! I meant blue is more baby blue. Finals and terms papers... I need sleep.

ZonieDiver · 11-02-2008, 05:29

Well, I still think it will end up thusly: McCain - 274 and Obama - 264. I really don't think Obama will carry either MO or PA, possibly not VA either. We'll see soon enough.

airbn5 · 11-02-2008, 06:24

I agree with RF1. I seem to recall that the exit polls had Kerry beating Bush by a land slide. Kgoerz, good luck in Chicago.

Paslode · 11-02-2008, 08:42

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

We deployed here this weekend. Where close to one Million people are expected to attend his Victory or Defeat speech.

Damn

That is alot of people contend with in either result, but especially if they precieve getting the short in of the stick.

Either way good luck and stay safe.

**Peregrino** · 11-02-2008, 18:12

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Originally Posted by kgoerz

I hope your right. It will make for an interesting Tuesday night here in Chicago. We deployed here this weekend. Where close to one Million people are expected to attend his Victory or Defeat speech.
I think there will be rioting no matter what the results. But if he looses we are prepared for the worse. One Million Obama Voters in the same area is not good. I am sure if its close in favor of McCain the MSM will feed the fire with all the accusations about voter suppression.

Pull back and nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Mangled quote but hindsight shows he was right; just look at all the bad things that happened when nobody listened.