Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > The Soapbox

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-31-2008, 18:24   #1
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
A Hillary Staffer Comes Clean

This came across as an e-mail. An internet search indicates the source was the link at the bottom of the posting. Clearly, the source does not claim to be objective.

Is the purported material true? I don't claim to know, but it is an interesting read. I leave determination of validity to you, the reader.

Nmap.

---------------------------------------------


A Hillary Staffer Comes Clean: What you were never intended to know in this election
October 31, 2008
By Anonymous_14

After a long and careful consideration of all the implications and possible consequences of my actions today, I have decided to go through with this in the hope that our country can indeed be guided into the right direction. First, a little personal background… I am a female grad student in my 20’s, and a registered Democrat. During the primaries, I was a campaign worker for the Clinton candidacy. I believed in her and still do, staying all the way to the bitter end. And believe me, it was bitter. The snippets you’ve heard from various media outlets only grazed the surface. There was no love between the Clinton and Obama campaigns, and these feelings extended all the way to the top. Hillary was no dope though, and knew that any endorsement of Obama must appear to be a full-fledged one. She did this out of political survival. As a part of his overall effort to extend an olive branch to the Clinton camp and her supporters, Obama took on a few Hillary staff members into his campaign. I was one such worker. Though I was still bitterly loyal to Hillary, I still held out hope that he would choose her as VP. In fact, there was a consensus among us transplants that in the end, he HAD to choose her. It was the only logical choice. I also was committed to the Democratic cause and without much of a second thought, transferred my allegiance to Senator Obama.


I’m going to let you in on a few secrets here, and this is not because I enjoy the gossip or the attention directed my way. I’m doing this because I doubt much of you know the true weaknesses of Obama. Another reason for my doing this is that I am lost faith in this campaign, and feel that this choice has been forced on many people in this country. Put simply, you are being manipulated. That was and is our job – to manipulate you (the electorate) and the media (we already had them months ago). Our goal is to create chaos with the other side, not hope. I’ve come to the realization (as the campaign already has) that if this comes to the issues, Barack Obama doesn’t have a chance. His only chance is to foster disorganization, chaos, despair, and a sense of inevitability among the Republicans. It has worked up until now. Joe the Plumber has put the focus on the issues again, and this scares us more than anything. Being in a position to know these things, I will rate what the Obama campaign already knows are their weak links from the most important on down.

1 – Hillary voters. Internal polling suggests that at best, we are taking 70-75% of these voters. Other estimates are as low as 60% in some areas – particularly Ohio and western PA. My biggest problem with this campaign’s strategy was the decision NOT to offer Hillary the VP slot. She was ready and able to take this on, and would have campaigned enthusiastically for it. This selection would have also brought virtually all of her supporters into the fold, and the Obama campaign knew it. Though I have no way of knowing this for certain, and I do admit that I am relying on internal gossip, Senator Obama actually went against the advice of his top advisors. They wanted him to choose her, but the only significant opposition to this within the campaign came from Barack and Michelle Obama. In short, he let personal feelings take precedence over what was the most logical thing to do. Biden, by the way, has been a disaster inside the campaign. Everyone cringes whenever he gives an interview, and he creates so many headaches as the campaign has to stay on their toes in order to disseminate information and spin whatever it was he was trying to say.

2 – Sarah Palin. Don’t believe what the media is telling you about how horrible a choice she was. Again, our internal polling suggest that though she has had a minimal impact on pulling disaffected Hillary Democrats to McCain, she has done wonders in mobilizing the base for McCain. Another thing – we were completely taken by surprise with her pick. In my capacity in the research department, I looked into the backgrounds of Leiberman, Romney, Pawlenty and Ridge, and prepared briefs. I don’t mind bragging that we had pretty good stuff on all of them. With Leiberman, the plan was to paint him as an erratic old-timer who didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing (pretty much a clone of McCain). In Romney, we had him pegged as an evil capitalist who cut jobs. Pawlenty was going to get the “Quayle treatment”, or more precisely: a pretty face, with no valid experience. Tom Ridge was going to be used to provide a direct link from McCain to Bush. As you can see, we were quite enamored of all of them. Then the unexpected happened – Sarah Palin. We had no clue as to how to handle her, and bungled it from the start. Though through our misinformation networks, we have successfully taken some of the shine off. But let there be no doubt. She remains a major obstacle. She has singlehanded solidified “soft” Republican support, mobilized the McCain ground game, and has even had some appeal to independents and Hillary voters. This is what our internal polling confirms.

3 – Obama’s radical connections. Standards operating procedure has been to cry “racism” whenever one of these has been brought up. We even have a detailed strategy ready to go should McCain ever bring Rev. Wright up. Though by themselves they are of minimal worth, taken together, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Pfelger, and now, Rashid Khalili, are exactly what the campaign does not need. The more focus on them, the more this election becomes a referendum on Obama. The campaign strategy from the very beginning was to make this election a referendum on Bush. Strategists have been banging their head on how successfully McCain has distanced himself from Bush. This has worked, and right now the tide is in his favor. People are taking a new look at Barack Obama, and our experience when this happens tells us this is not good news at all. When they take a look at him, one or more of these names are bound to be brought up. McCain has wisely not harped on this in recent weeks and let voters decide for themselves. This was a trap we set for him, and he never fully took the bait. Senator Obama openly dared him to bring up Ayers. This was not due to machismo on the part of Obama, but actually due to campaign strategy. Though McCain’s reference to Ayers fell flat in the last debate, people in the Obama campaign were actually disappointed that he didn’t follow through on it more and getting into it. Our focus groups found this out: When McCain brings these connections up, voters are turned off to him. They’d rather take this into consideration themselves, and when this happens, our numbers begin to tank.

4 – The Bradley Effect. Don’t believe these polls for a second. I just went over our numbers and found that we have next to no chance in the following states: Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Ohio leans heavily to McCain, but is too close to call it for him. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are the true “toss up states”. The only two of these the campaign feels “confident” in are Iowa and New Mexico. The reason for such polling discrepancy is the Bradley Effect, and this is a subject of much discussion in the campaign. In general, we tend to take a -10 point percentage in allowing for this, and are not comfortable until the polls give us a spread well over this mark. This is why we are still campaigning in Virginia and Pennsylvania! This is why Ohio is such a desperate hope for us! What truly bothers this campaign is the fact that some pollsters get up to an 80% “refuse to respond” result. You can’t possibly include these into the polls. The truth is, people are afraid to let people know who they are voting for. The vast majority of these respondents are McCain supporters. Obama is the “hip” choice, and we all know it.

(Snip. Length considerations require an additional post for the remainder of the item)


LINK
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 18:25   #2
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
Cont'd from above. This portion is a continuation of the original post at the beginning of the thread.

As part of my research duties, I scour right wing blogs and websites to get somewhat of a “feel” as to what is being talked about on the other side. Much of it is nonsense, but there are some exceptions which give the campaign jitters. A spirited campaign has been made to infiltrate many pro-Hillary sites and discredit them. A more disorganized, but genuine effort has also been made to sow doubts among the unapologetically right wing sites such as redstate.com. Don’t you guys get it? This has been the Obama campaign’s sole strategy from the very beginning! The only way he wins is over a dispirited, disorganized, and demobilized opposition. This is how it has been for all of his campaigns. What surprises me is that everyone has fallen for it. You may point to the polls as proof of the inevitability of all of this. If so, you have fallen for the oldest trick in the book. How did we skew these polls, you might ask? It all starts with the media “buzz” which has been generated over the campaign. Many stories are generated on the powerful Obama ground game, and how many new voters were registered. None of this happens by coincidence. It is all part of the poll-skewing process. This makes pollsters change their mixes to reflect these new voters and tilt the mix more towards Democratic voters. What is not mentioned or reported on is not the “under-reported cell phone users or young voters” we hear so much about. What is underreported is you.

I changed my somewhat positive opinion of this campaign during the unfair and sexist campaign against Sarah Palin. I will never agree with her on the issues and will probably never vote for her, but I am embarrassed of what has happened. I can’t ignore our own hand in all of this. What I do know is that I will not be voting for Obama this time around. Treat that as you will.

LINK
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond

Last edited by nmap; 10-31-2008 at 19:08. Reason: Enhanced reference to the main portion of the item.
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 18:44   #3
Penn
Area Commander
 
Penn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,467
The fourth estate has perverted this election from the beginning. I pray to God that the American people see this and act accordingly come the 4th of November.
Penn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 18:47   #4
jw74
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmap View Post
As part of my research duties, I scour right wing blogs and websites to get somewhat of a “feel” as to what is being talked about on the other side. LINK[/URL]
I don't consider this site to be a right wing blog, but there have been a poster or two on PS.com over the past month that had me scratching my chin with their pov's. I didn't think too deeply about it because I knew if they got silly, TS would ban them. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile .
jw74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 18:51   #5
Penn
Area Commander
 
Penn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,467
jw-74 you are so far off base..nmap is posting and referenceing anothers comments.
Penn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 19:11   #6
nmap
Area Commander
 
nmap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,760
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw74 View Post
I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile .
Ahh, if only I could be in a trusted position on his staff...with full access to his computers...just for a brief while...
__________________
Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero

Acronym Key:

MOO: My Opinion Only
YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary
ETF: Exchange Traded Fund


Oil Chart

30 year Treasury Bond
nmap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 19:17   #7
jw74
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn View Post
jw-74 you are so far off base..nmap is posting and referenceing anothers comments.
I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..
jw74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 19:17   #8
Red Flag 1
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,952
nmap,

Thanks for the post sir!!!

Perhaps, one day, we may learn who wrote this. Not much suprise really, just more validation. I will still worry until the election is over and validated.

I do think there will be recounts and voter fraud claims; it is all in place just waiting for the call from on high, IMHO.

Chef,

Spot on, both posts.


RF 1
Red Flag 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 19:38   #9
Red Flag 1
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 2,952
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw74 View Post
I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..

I believe that if you read all of the threads 77 posted on, you will find there were some things lacking. There were also questions asked that he just blew off. I do not think the postion was of any problem at all. Many of us are guests on this site, myself included. QP's and Mods, Penn included, give ample warning and guidance before acting in the best interest of this QP site!

That having been said, perhaps you might clarify your point about "ps.com" coming up on certian searches? Oh and it's "board" getting "subversives?



RF 1
Red Flag 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 19:47   #10
jw74
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 View Post
I believe that if you read all of the threads 77 posted on, you will find there were some things lacking. There were also questions asked that he just blew off. I do not think the postion was of any problem at all. Many of us are guests on this site, myself included. QP's and Mods, Penn included, give ample warning and guidance before acting in the best interest of this QP site!

That having been said, perhaps you might clarify your point about "ps.com" coming up on certian searches? Oh and it's "board" getting "subversives?



RF 1
I read all of his threads and will reiterate that I am not saying that I believed that troubleshooter77 was an Obama plant. I do not care what his politics were, nor do I expect everyone on this site to agree with my views but after reading nmap's article it made me wonder if any Obama staffers had ever googled something and had come upon this site. Lastly, regarding the subversives comment, if you read my post you will see that I placed an emoticon of a smiley face sticking out its tongue. I placed that there because I wanted it to be clear that I was joking.

Last edited by jw74; 10-31-2008 at 19:50.
jw74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 20:30   #11
Sigaba
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 4,478
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw74 View Post
I don't consider this site to be a right wing blog, but there have been a poster or two on PS.com over the past month that had me scratching my chin with their pov's. I didn't think too deeply about it because I knew if they got silly, TS would ban them. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile .
JW,

I think follow your point. You are saying that it would be funny as all get out if Obamots (as they're called) came here and tried to stir things up and that there have been a couple of people who seemed like they were trying to do just that. (To me, Jamber comes to mind.)

I do think that your writing style is getting in the way of you communicating your thoughts as you intend. I think that you and I share a trait in common: we write the way we talk without realizing that sometimes we don't see how a conversational approach to writing can be awkward.
Sigaba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 20:39   #12
Sigaba
Area Commander
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 4,478
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penn View Post
The fourth estate has perverted this election from the beginning. I pray to God that the American people see this and act accordingly come the 4th of November.
My take from the get go was that the media wanted to play king maker.

At the risk of getting whapped upside the head by The Reaper, I will say that I gained a certain amount of respect for Senator Clinton's efforts to over come the unconscionable treatment she received from her own party and the fourth estate. I believe that America would have been better served had she been the Democratic nominee. At the very least, she would have brought to the process a concept alien to Senator Obama: respect for her opponent and her supporters.

Reaper, please be gentle.

Last edited by Sigaba; 10-31-2008 at 20:46.
Sigaba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 20:39   #13
Kyobanim
Moderator
 
Kyobanim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,045
This thread should be titled "Someone who claims to be a Hillary Staffer, but is too chickenshit to say who they are, comes clean. . .Maybe"

This is worthless without a real name to verify it. It just says what we all suspect, and what I suspect, most other McCain supporters suspect.

Say that 3 times real fast.
__________________
"Are you listening or just waiting to talk?"


Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

"Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
Optimus Prime
Kyobanim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 20:51   #14
jw74
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigaba View Post
JW,

I think follow your point. You are saying that it would be funny as all get out if Obamots (as they're called) came here and tried to stir things up and that there have been a couple of people who seemed like they were trying to do just that. (To me, Jamber comes to mind.)

I do think that your writing style is getting in the way of you communicating your thoughts as you intend. I think that you and I share a trait in common: we write the way we talk without realizing that sometimes we don't see how a conversational approach to writing can be awkward.
yes. thank you. I can write a bit confusingly at times. thanks for trying to clarify my position.

Last edited by jw74; 10-31-2008 at 21:14.
jw74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2008, 21:52   #15
Stryfe
Asset
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sector 001
Posts: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyobanim View Post
This thread should be titled "Someone who claims to be a Hillary Staffer, but is too chickenshit to say who they are, comes clean. . .Maybe"

This is worthless without a real name to verify it. It just says what we all suspect, and what I suspect, most other McCain supporters suspect.

Say that 3 times real fast.
+1...thought the same thing after I got done reading it. Don't mind hoping about it all but still going to prepare for the worst.
Stryfe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:08.



Copyright 2004-2022 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies