Voter Fraud in Ohio

[Plutarch]

I searched for this topic, I apologize if it has already been covered -


http://www.palestra.net/news/politics/16349

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...cy.at.risk.cnn

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02...zzlin-in-ohio/


Massive voter fraud has already begun here in Ohio. The Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio changed the voting rules to allow people to register and vote in one day specifically to swing this state for Obama.

In Franklin County ( Columbus ) and Montgomery County ( Dayton ) Brunner advised the counties that they are not required to have election monitors. In fact, election monitors have been turned away from polling places.

The Democrats are already rounding up homeless people, criminals, and out of state college kids to vote for Obama. They do not have to show any ID, just vote. There is no way to verify who any of them are before the ballots are already counted. This also means that they will be able to vote as many times as they like ( or are paid to vote ).

Ohio is a critical swing state and the liberals are willing to do anything to win it. Today Bruce Springsteen gave a free concert in Columbus for those who would register and vote for Obama. They bussed in hundreds of out of state college kids for this concert, not to mention the thousands of out of staters that attend OSU, but are going to vote illegally in Ohio instead of their home state.

I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.

What is your take on this issue? Is there any way that this election is not going to be a complete trainwreck?

[Kyobanim]

Send us some absentee balots.

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by Plutarch

I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.

Sounds like Chicago.

[Pete]

Would they lie for votes

http://www.crossactionnews.com/artic...amp-duped-them

Some say yes.

[Richard]

An ACORN Falls from the Tree
Ken Blackwell

As negotiations over Congress’s emergency rescue bill continued over the weekend, repeated rumors leaked out that the Democrats were trying to funnel money to a hyper-partisan organization involved in criminal voter fraud. I’m speaking of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — known by its acronym, ACORN. Although ACORN was cut from the final legislation, it’s important to understand this organization and its long history with, of all people, Barack Obama. And it’s important to see how partisan this emergency legislation has become.

As the weekend progressed, reports were constantly emerging of the sticking points preventing a final agreement. One of these reputed points of contention was whether 20 percent of the profit proceedings for asset sales in the future would go to what is called the Housing Trust Fund, subsidizing certain groups for ostensibly nonpartisan activity. One of these groups that this trust supports is ACORN.

ACORN has often been in the news since 2004. Officially, they work to register voters and support housing. In reality, everyone in public life knows that they are hardcore supporters for the Democratic Party, and employ bare-knuckle tactics. Their organization is plagued by repeated investigations of voter fraud and other crimes.

In Ohio, where as secretary of state I oversaw elections for eight years, ACORN has been busy. One ACORN man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of voter fraud, and another was indicted in Columbus. Other such problems surfaced in Cuyahoga County, where criminal investigations are ongoing.

It’s not just Ohio. ACORN personnel are facing criminal charges in over a dozen states. In Washington State, for example, seven ACORN leaders had felony charges filed against them for voter fraud.

And there’s an unexpected twist. One of the organizations accused of pushing banks into making many of the unwise loans at the heart of the current crisis is … ACORN. Now that’s ironic. An organization that possibly contributed to our current financial profits is now being considered to make money off of it. And by “money,” I’m referring to your tax money.

Twice already this year Congress has funneled money to ACORN. Some report that February’s economic stimulus included funds for ACORN, as did the bill to help people struggling with mortgages passed this April.

What deserves closer scrutiny is Barack Obama’s history with ACORN. Obama cites Saul Alinsky, a self-acknowledged radical who advocated extreme acts to achieve social goals, as one of his inspirations.

ACORN follows the Saul Alinsky model. After Obama graduated from Harvard, he went to work for ACORN in Chicago. Mr. Obama then became a trainer for ACORN, teaching others how to employ ACORN tactics in voter registration drives.

This ACORN involvement coincides with the increasing partisanship of this situation.

Congressional Democrats, and specifically Mr. Obama, are now saying that the problem underlying all this is “deregulation,” pushed by the Republicans. There are two fundamental flaws with this allegation.

First, this is not deregulation. This is not the private sector. Fannie and Freddie are government creations, that pay their executives millions of dollars but are shielded with your tax money from suffering the downside risk of the market. Engage in racetrack-style financing, they must be strictly controlled. Deregulation is about keeping government from hobbling the private sector and hamstringing its ingenuity and productivity. Deregulation does not apply.

Second, Republicans have tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie. Republican attempts to reform them in 1999 failed. In 2003, when Alan Greenspan testified about how Fannie and Freddie’s loose practices could endanger our financial system, it was Democrat Barney Frank who said these institutions were fundamentally sound, and should be more aggressive in getting loans to low-income people. In 2005, a Republican reform passed the Senate Banking Committee on a party-line vote, only to be blocked by Democrats from passing the full Senate. And in 2006 when John McCain spoke on the Senate floor of the need to reform Fannie and Freddie immediately, Democrats (including Barack Obama) would not respond.

You can also see where Fannie and Freddie look for protection by where they direct their money. Public records show that the top two recipients of Fannie/Freddie campaign contributions are Sens. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, taking $165,000 and $126,000, respectively. Dodd, who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, and Mr. Obama, who says he’s going to remedy the whole situation.

It suddenly seems so clear why Democrats want ACORN to get some of the taxpayers’ money. I have unapologetically criticized Republicans, some by name, for out-of-control spending, lack of accountability, and other inexcusable actions that have tarnished the GOP and disserved the nation. And there are other issues that are either both parties’ fault, or no one’s fault.

But here, the Democrats are squarely to blame. They have resisted all attempts at reforming Fannie and Freddie, and pushed those organizations to become ever more reckless in their policies. This made the investments on Wall Street carrying those tainted mortgages go from bad to worse, and now we’re in a crisis and on the verge of a meltdown.

This is inexcusable. And if independent voters figure this out, their outrage over this situation will suddenly be directed against the party that pushed these disastrous policies. So Democrats want ACORN to get as much funding as possible, because they might need some new votes in their column on Election Day.

Voter fraud is in one sense the worst crime against democracy. The sole means of democratically choosing leaders is through voting. Every voter gets an equal vote. Every citizen who is a law-abiding adult has an equal voice in who will govern us. Our vote is sacred. Those engaging in voter fraud are in one sense no different than who intimidated voters at the polls in years past. Voter fraud may not be attended by the suffering that accompanied the beatings and water hoses of those days, but the assault on democracy is no less real.

ACORN is a discredited organization, and far too many of its leaders and workers have been prosecuted for felonies against democracy. The idea that a single dime of taxpayer money would ever go to such a group is an outrage.

And Mr. Obama needs to explain his involvement with them.

Richard

[jamber97]

Originally Posted by Plutarch

I searched for this topic, I apologize if it has already been covered -


http://www.palestra.net/news/politics/16349

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...cy.at.risk.cnn

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02...zzlin-in-ohio/


Massive voter fraud has already begun here in Ohio. The Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio changed the voting rules to allow people to register and vote in one day specifically to swing this state for Obama.

In Franklin County ( Columbus ) and Montgomery County ( Dayton ) Brunner advised the counties that they are not required to have election monitors. In fact, election monitors have been turned away from polling places.

The Democrats are already rounding up homeless people, criminals, and out of state college kids to vote for Obama. They do not have to show any ID, just vote. There is no way to verify who any of them are before the ballots are already counted. This also means that they will be able to vote as many times as they like ( or are paid to vote ).

Ohio is a critical swing state and the liberals are willing to do anything to win it. Today Bruce Springsteen gave a free concert in Columbus for those who would register and vote for Obama. They bussed in hundreds of out of state college kids for this concert, not to mention the thousands of out of staters that attend OSU, but are going to vote illegally in Ohio instead of their home state.

I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.

What is your take on this issue? Is there any way that this election is not going to be a complete trainwreck?

If true, that is very disturbing.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by jamber97

If true, that is very disturbing.

Your side and ACORN are cheering this stuff on.

[Team Sergeant]

It's comforting to see nothing changes in this country.


"Vote early and vote often."
-- Al Capone

[jamber97]

Originally Posted by Pete

Your side and ACORN are cheering this stuff on.

My side? Funny stuff. I make decisions in life on a case by case basis, not according to what side or group one thinks I'm in. This liberal vs. conservative confrontation might as well be a civil war. Its divisive and counter productive and blinds people to the failings of either side.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by jamber97

My side? Funny stuff. I make decisions in life on a case by case basis, not according to what side or group one thinks I'm in. This liberal vs. conservative confrontation might as well be a civil war. Its divisive and counter productive and blinds people to the failings of either side.

It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".

ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).

[Plutarch]

This is from Obama's site -

"If you are not registered, you can still vote early! And, if you vote early before October 25th no ID is required!"

Apparently self proclaimed "Hip Hop Leader" Russell Simmons put on a free music festival here in Columbus across the street from Veterans Memorial where early voting is taking place.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Plutarch

This is from Obama's site -

"If you are not registered, you can still vote early! And, if you vote early before October 25th no ID is required!"

Apparently self proclaimed "Hip Hop Leader" Russell Simmons put on a free music festival here in Columbus across the street from Veterans Memorial where early voting is taking place.

Guys,

You know what really gets to me is that in this day and age, s**t like this happens.... Unbeieveable......

GB TFS

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

It's comforting to see nothing changes in this country.


"Vote early and vote often."
-- Al Capone

And bring a couple of dead guys with you! we're talking Chicago-style votin' here!!

[jamber97]

Originally Posted by Pete

It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".

ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).

I would respond in the same manner if the statements were made about the right. Certain elements of my stance on issues consist of beliefs on both sides of the aisle. The main reason you don't hear more conservative leanings from me is because that's pretty well covered here.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Pete

It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".

ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).

Well . . . I guess I'm mostly a "they" too. But I say "I". Not sure if I'm trying to be gramatically correct (there are some serious "red-pen" critics here) or personal responsibility.. No matter what happens in Nov we're still Amur-i-cans (Wake up America!) and we'll survive. We managed Nixon and Carter didn't we?

This won't count against me in my vetting. will it?