The Traitor

[greenberetTFS]

THE TRAITOR!

I came across this info and thought long & hard as to posting it. I decided to go ahead and let you guys read it. I don't necessarily think you need to pass it on as suggested. I didn't check it out on Snopes either! I figured that if a man puts his name on this with where he can be reached to verify, he's telling the truth. I agree with him that she should be held accountable for her actions in Hanoi and put on trial as a traitor..........

Long after she's dead, people will wonder how she did what she did and was never put on trial. Some thought being married to Tom Hayden was punishment enough. Many thought there was no such thing as enough, nor was there anything like justice around.

YES SHE WAS A TRAITOR..!!

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In Memory of my brother-in-law LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton

She really was a Traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED!!??

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA!

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BY BARBRA WALTERS

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet which sent that officer berserk

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received...and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.'
Lest we forget...' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-63

GB TFS

[Richard]

Guys,

This is a mixed bag of info at best--according to snopes http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

However, there is an event in December of this year for which JFF is to be honored and here is the text of the letter I sent to the Governator.

Richard's $.02

2 September 2008

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, California 95814


Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

In reviewing the list of legendary Californians to be inducted into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame on 15 December 2008, I was both surprised and dismayed to see that Jane Fonda was to be so honored. I would like to explain my feelings on this matter to you and your wife.

As a native Californian from the Sacramento area who was drafted and then became a volunteer for Special Forces training, I was a young Special Forces Medical NCO serving in the 7th Special Forces Group in 1972 prior to serving in Southeast Asia. I was on guard duty one evening and preparing to go out on shift when the evening news was on the television in the guard house. A report was being given on Ms Fonda’s recent visit to North Vietnam and the accompanying video showed her visiting a North Vietnamese military unit. She listened attentively as the NVA soldiers described how they had shot down an American aircraft and then she posed on their antiaircraft gun while wearing an NVA helmet. Ms Fonda was all smiles in the video…and I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

Ms. Fonda, who was 34 at the time of her visit, willfully propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely, and condemned American soldiers as ‘war criminals’—and then later denounced the POWs as liars after they had been released and told of how they had been tortured. But as history has proven, it was Ms Fonda who was the liar and who refuses to apologize for her actions.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.

Respectfully,

(Signed)
Major (retired), US Army Special Forces

[BryanK]

Maybe the Governator needs to see this article/pictures
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

[Richard]

I used to dream about JFF being medevaced to my dispensary in her Maidenform bra and NVA helmet so I could catheterize her with det cord...but forced myself to quit because the supply sergeant got tired of me begging to exchange the soiled sheets every morning for clean ones.

Richard

[greenberetTFS]

Richard,

With regards to your letter I believe your right on point.....Did you get a response from him? With regards to Snopes, I, like Team Sargent, think they are becoming more "liberal"and leaning to the left than "non-objective" as they claim....

GB TFS

[Richard]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

Richard,

With regards to your letter I believe your right on point.....Did you get a response from him? With regards to Snopes, I like Team Sargent, think they are becoming more "liberal"and leaning to the left than "non-objective" as they claim....

GB TFS

Snopes runs a bit hot and cold, but the research piece on this is pretty good. You should read the Holzer's book, it is really good on this subject.

Richard's $.02

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Richard

Guys,

This is a mixed bag of info at best--according to snopes http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

However, there is an event in December of this year for which JFF is to be honored and here is the text of the letter I sent to the Governator.

Richard's $.02

2 September 2008

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, California 95814


Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

In reviewing the list of legendary Californians to be inducted into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame on 15 December 2008, I was both surprised and dismayed to see that Jane Fonda was to be so honored. I would like to explain my feelings on this matter to you and your wife.

As a native Californian from the Sacramento area who was drafted and then became a volunteer for Special Forces training, I was a young Special Forces Medical NCO serving in the 7th Special Forces Group in 1972 prior to serving in Southeast Asia. I was on guard duty one evening and preparing to go out on shift when the evening news was on the television in the guard house. A report was being given on Ms Fonda’s recent visit to North Vietnam and the accompanying video showed her visiting a North Vietnamese military unit. She listened attentively as the NVA soldiers described how they had shot down an American aircraft and then she posed on their antiaircraft gun while wearing an NVA helmet. Ms Fonda was all smiles in the video…and I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

Ms. Fonda, who was 34 at the time of her visit, willfully propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely, and condemned American soldiers as ‘war criminals’—and then later denounced the POWs as liars after they had been released and told of how they had been tortured. But as history has proven, it was Ms Fonda who was the liar and who refuses to apologize for her actions.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.

Respectfully,

(Signed)
Major (retired), US Army Special Forces

Richard Good Letter.... I doubt he will respond. Let us know if he does.

[Surf n Turf]

Originally Posted by Richard

I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.

Richard,
We were also shocked and G*d damn MAD when my unit saw the video.
It was, and is, Treason.

SnT

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Richard

Snopes runs a bit hot and cold, but the research piece on this is pretty good. You should read the Holzer's book, it is really good on this subject.

Richard's $.02

Richard,

I will get my hands on Holzer's book....Interested.

GB TFS

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Richard

I used to dream about JFF being medevaced to my dispensary in her Maidenform bra and NVA helmet so I could catheterize her with det cord...but forced myself to quit because the supply sergeant got tired of me begging to exchange the soiled sheets every morning for clean ones.

Richard

Richard

Great letter to Arnold,, and I think you should have put this last sentence in also...

[sg1987]

Somewhat related to this ......Hanoi Jane's actions were criminal and she got away with it.

So were Ted Kenedy's
as did OJ Simson

I was curious as to what other famous Americans "got away with it."
Any thoughts come to mind?

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by sg1987

Somewhat related to this ......Hanoi Jane's actions were criminal and she got away with it.

So were Ted Kenedy's
as did OJ Simson

I was curious as to what other famous Americans "got away with it."
Any thoughts come to mind?

Kennedy and OJ have nothing to do with an act of Treason or sedition.
Stay on subject.

[greenberetTFS]

Being honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women"................


To all QP's........

She really is a
traitor........

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED............

[Dusty]

Reminds me of when John Kerry said he threw away his medals.

And to think he was nearly elected POTUS...

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Reminds me of when John Kerry said he threw away his medals.

And to think he was nearly elected POTUS...

And like a lot of guys from that era, he most likely sought to have them replaced when it was suddenly fashionable to have "served"!

Most guys that I know from those days who took the "anti-war" route did it more to get laid then from any political beliefs. It was definitely not fun to be on college campus as a vet during the 70's. For many, it was easier to throw away your honor, just so you could be "accepted" - at least that's the way I see it!