08-26-2008, 13:24
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Civilian support of war effort cowardice?
Yesterday I was told by a current active duty surface warfare officer that an able bodied civilian cannot support the Iraq war without being a coward. Personally I still dont see how this is true. I for one support many thing like the war on crime, war on drugs, and fighting disease but I am not a cop, or a doctor. Just was wondering anyone take on it.
Curt
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08-26-2008, 13:36
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I would have to disagree
I would have to disagree with the individual.
I think his statement tries to twist into the chickenhawk argument.
For somebody young and single I'd say it is a good time to sign up. For the rest, that they support the military and the war will be good enough for me.
Each makes a choice in the twists and turns as they go down the path of life.
It really sucks to hit 50 and go "I shoulda'".
For me, even the bad times are good times now.
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08-26-2008, 14:09
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I agree with Pete.
"War support is cowardice" sounds like Ministry of Truth 'speakwrite' to me, the language of Orwell's 1984.
war is peace
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08-26-2008, 15:08
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My first reaction to that statement would be POSER. Are you sure he is, or has ever been, in any military service? I have met some "less than gifted" military officers, but that statement is just plain stupid. If he really is a naval officer, I predict a short career. Just congratulate him for defeating the Afghan navy.
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08-26-2008, 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
I would have to disagree with the individual.
I think his statement tries to twist into the chickenhawk argument.
For somebody young and single I'd say it is a good time to sign up. For the rest, that they support the military and the war will be good enough for me.
Each makes a choice in the twists and turns as they go down the path of life.
It really sucks to hit 50 and go "I shoulda'".
For me, even the bad times are good times now.
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Pete,
Well said......Right on target. 
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08-26-2008, 15:26
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Originally Posted by Remington Raidr
My first reaction to that statement would be POSER. Are you sure he is, or has ever been, in any military service? I have met some "less than gifted" military officers, but that statement is just plain stupid. If he really is a naval officer, I predict a short career. Just congratulate him for defeating the Afghan navy.
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I had a buddy at the National War College in 2004 with the best and the brightest O-6s from all of the services.
He said that over 50% of his classmates, and almost all of the Naval personnel, had Kerry stickers on their POVs.
Just sayin'....
TR
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08-26-2008, 16:13
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Originally Posted by CRod2487
Yesterday I was told by a current active duty surface warfare officer that an able bodied civilian cannot support the Iraq war without being a coward.
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I suppose a potential counter statement would be that an able bodied serviceman not serving in a direct combat role could be perceived as a coward. This line of reasoning makes as much sense as the SWO's--very little.
TR, even more disheartening than Kerry stickers are the several B-Ho stickers I see in the parking lot at NORTHCOM.
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08-26-2008, 16:37
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
I had a buddy at the National War College in 2004 with the best and the brightest O-6s from all of the services.
He said that over 50% of his classmates, and almost all of the Naval personnel, had Kerry stickers on their POVs.
Just sayin'....
TR
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Sirs,
Please allow me to agree wtih Richard on this topic in this forum, and his elude to Orwell's, 1984.
TR Sir,
Only knowing a few Navy men myself, one can be assured, weather Shipmate or SEAL, They are just as supportive of Our Nation's current leadership, in this fight we now have...IMVHO. 
Holly
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08-26-2008, 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
I had a buddy at the National War College in 2004 with the best and the brightest O-6s from all of the services.
He said that over 50% of his classmates, and almost all of the Naval personnel, had Kerry stickers on their POVs.
Just sayin'....
TR
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I stand corrected.
God help us.
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08-26-2008, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Remington Raidr
My first reaction to that statement would be POSER. Are you sure he is, or has ever been, in any military service? I have met some "less than gifted" military officers, but that statement is just plain stupid. If he really is a naval officer, I predict a short career. Just congratulate him for defeating the Afghan navy.
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No hes legit but he is newly commissioned. He went to the Naval Academy to play a sport and is now just starting the 5 year service obligation.
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08-26-2008, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Razor
I suppose a potential counter statement would be that an able bodied serviceman not serving in a direct combat role could be perceived as a coward. This line of reasoning makes as much sense as the SWO's--very little.
TR, even more disheartening than Kerry stickers are the several B-Ho stickers I see in the parking lot at NORTHCOM.
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That was actually one of my thoughts during this exchange. Im only 20 and have immense respect for anyone putting on the uniform so I didnt want to call a guy out whos already put 4 years of service in the academy, on his particular role in the Navy. But then he is anti Iraq war so in his line of reasoning its OK for an able bodied person to not serve or not be in a combat role as long as their anti war.
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08-26-2008, 20:57
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Crod2487...I think you are full of it; phishing and should be banned!
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08-26-2008, 21:14
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I don't know this kid from a hole in the wall, if he even exists, but I'm going to take a stab at this one, your story sounds like a bitter cadet who thinks he had his 250,000 dollar education fed to him backwards a nickel at a time, who went to school to play a sport and didn't totally realize that his "free" education and the chance to play college sports had a 5 year commitment to serve his country attached.
My advice to said young Ensign if he indeed exists, would be to have a steaming hot cup of shut the F$%# up at least twice daily or at any time he has the urge to whine or bitch while in uniform or in front of any other person in uniform. Whether he realizes it or not he is an officer in the US military, so he either needs to act accordingly or pay back the 250K and move to Canada.
Just my .02
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08-26-2008, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Penn
Crod2487...I think you are full of it; phishing and should be banned!
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No Sir this person is in fact a newly minted Ensign class of 2008 from Annapolis and he in fact did share such sentiments. I wont say his name over this board however. I also would like to add that I take no offense becuase it does sound crazy for a officer to say such things...but I have more than enough respect for the men of this forum than to take them for a ride with a tale. Just saying. Again no offense taken.
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08-26-2008, 22:05
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Just to be fair to him, I left the link to this thread on the facebook group board where he frequents. Dont want to turn you gentlemens forum into a feild for a pissing match but I dont like talking behind a man's back and beleive he has the right to come on here and defend himself against my criticism, even though hes the one who threw the first stone.
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