06-05-2008, 11:21
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AF Secretary and Chief of Staff Forced to Resign This Morning
Surprised it happened now and not months ago. Given the issues with the Thunderbird contract etc... Although I am sure Minot failing it's NSI last week probably had something to do with this as well. I bet we don't see a new chief until after the election.
NBC: Top two Air Force officials resigning
Secretary, chief of staff ousted; choice reportedly was 'resign or be fired'
NBC News and news services
updated 10:06 a.m. PT, Thurs., June. 5, 2008
The nation's top two Air Force officials are resigning, military sources told NBC News Thursday.
Air Force Chief of Staff Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne are being forced out, the two sources said. Moseley, a general, is the Air Force's top uniformed officer; Wynne is the top civilian official.
Word of the resignations was first reported by InsideDefense.com and the Air Force Times earlier Thursday.
"Top-level Pentagon officials gave Moseley the option to resign or be fired during a meeting this morning," the InsideDefense.com reported, quoting an unidentified military official.
The Air Force Times noted that the resignations follow high-profile scandals and disagreements between with lawmakers and Defense Secretary Robert Gates over the Air Force's role in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Gates earlier this year publicly stated that the Air Force could dedicate more resources, especially unmanned drones, to those battlefronts.
Sources told the Air Force Times that other senior officers could also be relieved.
A public announcement was expected later in the day. There was no immediate word on who would be nominated to replace Moseley and Wynne.
The Air Force has endured a number of embarrassing setbacks over the past year. In August, for instance, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country. The pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.
The error was considered so grave that President Bush was quickly informed.
NBC News producer Courtney Kube, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report
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06-05-2008, 12:05
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SECDEF gave the AF SEC and COS plenty of time to respond to the incidents throughout the year; with no real response. Time to move them out and put in fresh blood. 
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06-05-2008, 14:11
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Moseley was my boss when I was with JTF-SWA...i would have never expected this from him... 
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06-05-2008, 14:43
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I knew that heads would be rolling after the nuke flights, then Minot failing their NSI. I just didn't think it would be this far up the chain of command.
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06-05-2008, 15:00
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Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
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06-05-2008, 20:17
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I think it is nice to see leadership being held accountable for a change. If the leadership is failing, the troops will surely fail as well..............
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06-05-2008, 21:16
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
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I was thinking the same thing this morning. I just came from working for Gen Schwartz in his LL office at USTC. He is a great guy. BUT he announced his retirement at his commanders call last month, with the new guy coming in sometime in November. I suppose it is a possibility they could just pull his retirement paperwork.
There for a while we thought he was going to be the new Chairman, but timing was an issue.
Guess we will have to wait and see. From what my husband told me this morning Wynn was shown the door because he was told to fire Mosley and he refused. Within the AF halls it sounds like a few more heads of the General level are going to roll before this is all over.
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06-09-2008, 09:32
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Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364480,00.html
Gates Names Picks for Top 2 Replacements at Air Force
Monday, June 09, 2008
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended Gen. Norton Schwartz be next Air Force chief of staff, the top uniformed leader of the service.
"Today I provided my recommendation to the resident for the nominations to the top civilian and military leadership positions in the Air Force," Gates said in a statement.
"I recommend that Michael Donley be nominated to serve as Secretary of the Air Force," Gates said. The name had surfaced as a likelihood last week.
"I further recommend to the President that General Norton Schwartz be nominated to serve as the Air Force Chief of Staff," Gates said.
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06-09-2008, 10:44
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364480,00.html
Gates Names Picks for Top 2 Replacements at Air Force
Monday, June 09, 2008
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended Gen. Norton Schwartz be next Air Force chief of staff, the top uniformed leader of the service.
"Today I provided my recommendation to the resident for the nominations to the top civilian and military leadership positions in the Air Force," Gates said in a statement.
"I recommend that Michael Donley be nominated to serve as Secretary of the Air Force," Gates said. The name had surfaced as a likelihood last week.
"I further recommend to the President that General Norton Schwartz be nominated to serve as the Air Force Chief of Staff," Gates said.
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A "former" Green Beret to head the Air Force? LOL I love Karma. 
Donley held positions in the 1980s on the National Security Council, where he directed defense programs, as well as on the Senate Armed Services Committee, where he was a professional staff member.
He served in the Army's 18th Airborne Corps and 5th Special Forces Group from 1972 to 1975. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in international relations from the University of Southern California.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines
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06-09-2008, 10:49
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A "former" Green Beret to head the Air Force? LOL I love Karma.
Donley held positions in the 1980s on the National Security Council, where he directed defense programs, as well as on the Senate Armed Services Committee, where he was a professional staff member.
He served in the Army's 18th Airborne Corps and 5th Special Forces Group from 1972 to 1975. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in international relations from the University of Southern California.
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Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
TR
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06-09-2008, 10:53
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Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
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Wha...? You mean become part of a combined arms military and support the ground fight.....?
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06-09-2008, 20:04
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I can speak from personal experience that the Air Force needs a culture change, integrity and warrior ethos need to be more than buzz words commanders use, they need to be ingrained and internalized into the rank and file from the Secretary all the way down to the brand new airman entering basic at Lackland. I can only hope if Gen Schwartz and Michael Donley are both confirmed they can affect the change that is so needed in the Air Force by drawing upon their AFSOC and USASOC backgrounds and bring that warrior mentality to cooperate AF.
Just my .02
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06-10-2008, 09:30
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Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
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I hope that both put in motion changes that will have us, the chAir Force, become quite uncomfortable for a time. We need to do more and realize that the burden of this war must be shared by all.
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06-10-2008, 09:59
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I hope that both put in motion changes that will have us, the chAir Force, become quite uncomfortable for a time. We need to do more and realize that the burden of this war must be shared by all.
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Keeping that in mind I’ll give you guys a helping hand; I’m planning to write the new Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley and inform him that just because he was a former “Green Beret” NOT expect the current Air Force to do more PT.
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06-10-2008, 11:09
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lol
Nice one!
Well this says it all.
New Airforce Advert.
"It takes the US Airforce to protect America in a changing world"
"The US Air Force - above all"
Kinda exclusive don't you think.
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