03-31-2008, 23:27
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Unit Crest Identification
I'm posting this here because "Briefback" looked like it was just for SF history - and this isn't SF history, it's Army history. And, I do want to give these away to good homes but that isn't really a "Buy/Sell/Trade" so "the Cache" didn't seem to work either. So if I'm in the wrong place I apologize, I tried!
I've just inherited all of my grandfather's Army things - which really means, that he was a pack rat and kept EVERYTHING over his 30 year career and then he was also really sentimental and decorated everything in Army. I sort of lost my mind when going through all of his stuff and felt unequal to the task of being the keeper when my dad told me that I was still the best person for the job because I'd be able to decide what was appropriate to keep in the family and what just needed to find good homes elsewhere. We were loathe to just turn anything over to the estate liquidators for someone to come in and finger through his life for a dime.
Bringing us to this - my first identification and adoption.
I have around 25 of these solid oak framed unit crests. We've taken out the ones that mean something to us, and the ones that we know already have clear homes - but there are some that I haven't got the first clue where to start because I don't know the name of the unit. I'm hoping that some of you can help me identify the units and then, if you have an attachment to the unit - you might want to adopt this nicely framed piece of vintage history - because you are the types of homes I'd really like to send these into. I'd guess these are about 30 years old. My grandfather died in 1982 and he likely framed all of these up somewhere between his retirement in 1962 and 1975 when he began getting quite ill.
Thanks for your help.
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03-31-2008, 23:28
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2 more
Here are two more.
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04-01-2008, 04:14
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Your first post, middle picture is as it seems: Ft. Leavenworth. The actual crest that is worn as a uniform item is the shield with 3 oil lamps. 4th is the 29th Infantry Regiment.
Your second post is the 4th Infantry Regiment and USARSO crest. US Army South. I remember that being one of the last assignments a friend took before ending his service. He like Ft. Buchanan, of course, he was born just up the road and grew up there. 
As for the others, I'm unsure.
Did you try the Institute of Heraldry?
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/DUI_SSI_COA_page.htm
Hope this helps you find other worthy homes for these.
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04-01-2008, 04:33
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Shar,
Knowing what career field/branch your grandfather was might narrow the scope a bit.
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04-01-2008, 06:14
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Shar, I think the Ship, as a patch worn on the right pocket blouse pocket with the words "jungle school" was from/in panama. Would love to see them all!!!
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04-01-2008, 08:22
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Shar,
Knowing what career field/branch your grandfather was might narrow the scope a bit.
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He was infantry - and I have all of his obituary and a ton of his paperwork which has helped some with a bunch of the others, but there are (obviously) some REALLY obscure patches. My dad was careeer Army and my husband is active duty and we're all still trying to piece this together.
Over the course of his career he was in the Phillipines, Panama, Europe, Korea, and all over the US (but I know he was in GA, WY, NY, MA, KS, DC).
I appreciate the link posted, my husband sent me that last night too.
I'll post a few of the photos I sent to my husband for identification. These are the ones I figured I should have known and felt dumb asking you guys about.  I know one is ARCENT and one is TRADOC but I'm stumped from there. These are all up for adoption too. I'll take photos of the others later.
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04-01-2008, 08:26
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I'll post a few of the photos I sent to my husband for identification. These are the ones I figured I should have known and felt dumb asking you guys about. I know one is ARCENT and one is TRADOC but I'm stumped from there. These are all up for adoption too. I'll take photos of the others later. |
USAREUR, 3rd Army, 2nd Something or other, FORSCOM and 6th Army...
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04-01-2008, 09:01
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I just spent some time looking at every crest on the heraldry site and found two more (the 1st and 5th at the top):
the blue Sea Lion is for the Phillipine Command
the AF is for Allied Forces Headquarters
the single oil lamp (we lead the way) is 29th INF REG - which apparently was my grandfather's first assignment at Ft. Benning in 1932
- as they are being identified they are making sense to me based on his history, but it is very convoluted and I would suggest to all of you that you do a really good job writing down your entire military history to include all of your units and associations, interesting stories, etc. because even though it may seem really clear and documented to you (and believe me, my grandfather kept everything and wrote down TONS) there are still certain things that are a mystery to us. This isn't the biggest hole in the puzzle, we've got a couple other things to unravel that are going to take me some serious time and digging.
...and you see I'm a nerd at this because I flipped TRADOC and FORSCOM.
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04-01-2008, 09:20
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shar - the Polar Bear / Fish is a unit of the 10th Mtn Div - I have a friend who would really like that one - it was his unit. Let me know.
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04-01-2008, 09:21
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SHAEF not USAREUR
I was just corrected - apparently the sword shield isn't USAREUR, it is SHAEF. The background is black.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAEF
The only ones left to identify are:
- the fist in armor holding the torch and I wonder if it has to do with NYC. They lived on Governor's Island for awhile while he was the first Chief of Staff of the US Army delegation to the UN. Could it be something to do with that? It kind of looks like the Statue of Liberty.
- to fully identify the "II" 2nd something one...
Thanks guys!!!
Oh and they still need homes, or ideas for me to where to adopt them out.
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Reason: adding more detail
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04-01-2008, 09:27
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shar - the Polar Bear / Fish is a unit of the 10th Mtn Div - I have a friend who would really like that one - it was his unit. Let me know.
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Which one? The blue one with the sea lion/dragon looking thing is Panama I believe. http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Al...%20Command.htm
The one I've just attached is the only one I know of that is attached to the 10th MTN (right now anyway). If he wants this one - it's his. This one is the 31st INF that is now up there at 10th MTN. Is there another one that's got 10th MTN history? Let me know and I'll reserve it for him.
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04-01-2008, 09:32
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Which one? The blue one with the sea lion/dragon looking thing is Panama I believe. http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Al...%20Command.htm
The one I've just attached is the only one I know of that is attached to the 10th MTN (right now anyway). If he wants this one - it's his. This one is the 31st INF that is now up there at 10th MTN. Is there another one that's got 10th MTN history? Let me know and I'll reserve it for him. |
31st INF is the one I meant. PM me and I'll pay shipping and whatever you deem appropriate for the item itself.
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04-01-2008, 15:00
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Shar: Its the 2d Corps. Erwin Rommell handed members of this unit, their head at a place called Kaserine Pass.
The CG was relieved of duty and the unit was re-organized under the leadership of Geo. S. Patton.
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04-01-2008, 16:05
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I believe that the second picture, in your initial set is the Army War College -
Crest: On a wreath of the colors (Argent and Azure) a dexter mailed hand Sable, holding a torch inflamed Proper.
The Institute of Heraldry
As to where he was at the time..."The device was originally approved for the Army War College, Washington Barracks, D.C. on 6 Dec 1910. It was reassigned on 14 Jul 1950 for the Army War College, Fort Leavenworth, KS. On 1 Aug 1951 the device was reassigned for the Army War College, Carlisle Barracks, PA."
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04-01-2008, 19:37
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the blue Sea Lion is for the Phillipine Command
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Shar,
Nope, it was the Philippine Department. Prior to WW2 both the philippines and Hawaii were called Departments, not commands. Those are some nice plaques.
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