03-02-2008, 09:02
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Dawn of the Metallic Cartridge
Enclosed are some pics of a portion of a collection I used to have. Its since been on "Permenant Loan" to a R.O.T.C. Unit near me. The display covered the early beginnings of the cased rifle cartridge through a cutaway of the M198 7.62 Duplex Round.
My apologies for the first two pics. The 3rd are just some duplicates Ive had lying around.
Care to offer and I.D.?
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03-02-2008, 09:31
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I take a stab at it
Slide # 1.
.54 Cal Burnside Cartridge
.52 Cal Spencer
And if those two are right I'd guess the third one is a .44 Cal Ballard.
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03-02-2008, 09:37
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PETE:
Like the song says: Two outa three aint bad. Pretty good in fact for not googling.
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03-02-2008, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Pete
Slide # 1.
.54 Cal Burnside Cartridge
.52 Cal Spencer
And if those two are right I'd guess the third one is a .44 Cal Ballard.
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You looked in a Dixie Gun Works catalog, didn"t ya,,,,,
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03-03-2008, 04:40
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The first seemed simple, it's unusual. I was guessing the cartridges were grouped by type leading to my opinion of the next two. That third cartridge has the unusual wide base/rim and I'm pretty sure there are not that many like it. I've seen it before, just can not remember where.
I'm guessing the second slide is pistol cartridges and the third at least three rifles from around the 1870's/1880's. No scale on that one.
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03-03-2008, 15:16
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Pete
The Third round with the Burnside and Spencer is the .50 cal Maynard, VERY similar to the Ballard. I believe the Ballard didnt get above .36 cal.
The 2d group are all Spencers.
The third group left to right is pistol and pistol, rifle and the 44-60 Peabody "Creedmore" an interesting round.
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03-03-2008, 16:12
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Civil War Carbines
http://scard.buffnet.net/pages/signa...s/weapons.html
Drag down to the Ballard. It seems he really didn't make them but sold the rights to a number of manufacturers who produced the .44 for the war.
After the war civilian production took off in the mid 70's. I think by then Win. was starting it's clean sweep of the west.
The Maynard entry, I see, makes note of the wide flange.
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03-03-2008, 16:24
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PETE:
Its really easy to "satellite" off when doing research. But its informative as hell. Like everything having to do with Ammo to weaponry some of it is almost laughable.
Like the .30 Pederson round and Pederson device. The Springfield .30-03. The Paul Mauser-Springfield story. The U.S. Ordnance Dept. bouncing around from the massive 65 cal to the Lee Navy 6mm. Into the 7.62 and 5.56 flachette rounds.
It was a fun hobby. But, then I started specializing in my collection. It got kinda pricey.
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03-03-2008, 17:17
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MUSKET SHELL
No collection is complete without a Musket Shell.
Got one?
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03-04-2008, 09:26
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PETE:
My musket ball collection ran from the .60 cal round ball to the Mine' ball and variants to the Volcanic "self propelled round". Its easier and cheaper to collect the ammo than it is to collect the weapons that fired them.
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03-05-2008, 13:36
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ANSWERS
The cartridges shown are in Pic #1. .54 Cal. Burnside, 52-50 Spencer and .50 Cal Maynard. Pic#2 .52-50 Spencer, .56-56 Spencer, 56-50 Spencer. Pic #3 .45 cal Colt .45 Cal Long Colt, 50-70 Rifle, 44-60 Peabody Rifle, and .577 Snider Rifle.
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