12-27-2007, 08:50
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Bhutto Assassinated
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Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto Assassinated at Rally in Pakistan
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday, shot in the neck and chest before a homicide bomber blew himself up at a campaign rally. Twenty others also died.
The assassin struck just minutes after Bhutto addressed a rally of thousands of supporters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. She was shot as she was entering her car. Her attacker then set off his bomb.
Bhutto was rushed to the hospital and taken into emergency surgery.
"At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital.
"The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Sen. Babar Awan, Bhutto's lawyer, said.
• Bush Administration Condemns Bhutto Assassination
• FOX Facts: Benazir Bhutto
In Washington, deputy State Department spokesman Tom Casey said: "Certainly, we condemn the attack on this rally. It demonstrates that there are still those in Pakistan who want to subvert reconciliation and efforts to advance democracy."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318510,00.html
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12-27-2007, 08:54
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Heard about it on Fox on the way in this morning.
It would be interesting to know who perpetrated this.
The consequences may be severe.
TR
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12-27-2007, 09:45
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Not at all surprising; when zealous tribalism, unthinking hatred, and sick fanaticism are your core beliefs!
Tragic timing! One step forward, three steps back!
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12-27-2007, 11:16
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A lesson in consolidating power. She was the voice of opposition, and now Pervez is needed now more than ever, at least in his eyes.
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12-27-2007, 11:25
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A lesson in consolidating power. She was the voice of opposition, and now Pervez is needed now more than ever, at least in his eyes.
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I'd be very surprised if he or his supporters had anything to do with this. The more likely culprits are people affiliated with AQI and/or the Taliban.
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12-27-2007, 11:38
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I'd be very surprised if he or his supporters had anything to do with this. The more likely culprits are people affiliated with AQI and/or the Taliban.
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Me either. In fact AQ Claims Responsibility.
But for good or for bad, this does consolidate his power since it removes his number 1 opposition, and I wonder:
If Gen. Musharraf cracks down hard on some of the extremists, would it do any good?
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12-27-2007, 14:18
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RIP
I just read an interesting article, its thrust was the pervasiveness of military control of Pakistan, but it also mentioned recent discussions between Bhutto and Musharraf.
"After Musharraf" article
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12-27-2007, 18:33
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R.I.P.
One brave lady.
She did request western protection but was not allowed. Makes one wonder
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12-27-2007, 19:08
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Reminds me of the old Sicilian proverb...
"The man who plays alone never loses".
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12-27-2007, 21:09
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She is a Martyr. To quote one of the talking heads from this morning's Fox broadcast - "I'm amazed it took this long". FWIW - I wouldn't cast stones at Musharaf. He might not have done everything humanly possible to protect her, but he had no motive to kill her and lots of practical/pragmatic reasons for leaving her alone. He's an astute politician, he knew/knows what will happen as a result of this. At this point he has more to lose than anybody else. Al Queda (or whoever) is the only winner; they've percipitated a situation that could easilly destroy Pakistan. I think this will probably destroy any hope of near term peace and stability. Once again, the Islamofascists have set the stage for anarchy. The Pakistani people will be the ultimate victims. Bhutto was NOT a saint, and the party she headed was more populist/socialist than practical/effective. Unfortunately history will probably never conduct an objective review of her life and the very real accomplishments she achieved/represented.
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12-27-2007, 22:16
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R.I.P.
One brave lady.
She did request western protection but was not allowed. Makes one wonder
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Yes, she was, however, I have some questions.
Western Protection? 
How does the 'West' protect a politician in Pakistan, who attends public events and mixes with the crowds? Who continues to do, so after one suicide bomber attack attempt on her life as well as Intel reports, on many plots in planning. 
Who is this Western power, you refer too, who refused protection? If they had granted such protection, how would they have they provided it?
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12-28-2007, 01:22
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It was all over the news this afternoon. Pakistani authorities rejected Bhutto's earlier request to include international security experts ie. FBI and Scotland Yard in her protection details
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"So we can suffer, and in suffering we know who we are" David Goggins
"Aide-toi, Dieu t'aidera " Jehanne, la Pucelle
Der, der Geld verliert, verliert einiges;
Der, der einen Freund verliert, verliert viel mehr;
Der, der das Vertrauen verliert, verliert alles.
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12-28-2007, 01:54
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She is a Martyr. To quote one of the talking heads from this morning's Fox broadcast - "I'm amazed it took this long". FWIW - I wouldn't cast stones at Musharaf. He might not have done everything humanly possible to protect her, but he had no motive to kill her and lots of practical/pragmatic reasons for leaving her alone. He's an astute politician, he knew/knows what will happen as a result of this. At this point he has more to lose than anybody else. Al Queda (or whoever) is the only winner; they've percipitated a situation that could easilly destroy Pakistan. I think this will probably destroy any hope of near term peace and stability. Once again, the Islamofascists have set the stage for anarchy. The Pakistani people will be the ultimate victims. Bhutto was NOT a saint, and the party she headed was more populist/socialist than practical/effective. Unfortunately history will probably never conduct an objective review of her life and the very real accomplishments she achieved/represented.
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India has nukes. Extra butter for my popcorn! 
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12-28-2007, 08:48
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12-28-2007, 11:55
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Things could get real ugly, real quick.
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