warriortalk

[AngelsSix]

Anyone here been over to the warriortalk forums?? I was invited by a friend......just wondering what some of you thought of it??

[Razor]

Run by Gabe Suarez...'nuff said.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Razor

Run by Gabe Suarez...'nuff said.

LOL

WARRIOR

war•ri•or (wôr - r, w r -) KEY

One who is experienced in battle or war, soldier.

I don't think of police officers when I think of warriors.

[CosaNostraUSMC]

+1 on what the TS said.

[Razor]

Nothing against LEOs in general, just this particular one.

[Team Sergeant]

It’s real simple Warriors fight rogue countries & wars, LEO’s fight criminals and crime, two different fights, different rules, different combatants.

LEO’s are trained to be defensive and learn defensive tactics, techniques and procedures (TTP’s).

Warriors are trained to be offensive and learn offensive TTP’s.

LEO’s are trained to arrest individuals employing a “force continuum”.

Warriors are trained to kill individuals, destroy structures, infrastructures, industrial complexes, military bases, seize airports & cities and bring nations or dictators to their knees.

At the end of a day LEO’s get to take off their body armor and go home.

Warriors are deployed for years at a time in semi or non-permissive areas sleeping in their armor 24 hours a day.

LEO’s are trained to engage threats from about 21 feet.

Warriors are trained engage threats from over the horizon, from underground, from above, from the sea, and soon I’m sure, from space.

There is not one federal, state or local law enforcement agency that would last 30 seconds against a trained platoon of Marine Infantry. It’s not the big difference in men but their training and mindset.

Some of my best friends are LEO’s and they are just that, officers of the law, not warriors.

Team Sergeant

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

It’s real simple Warriors fight rogue countries & wars, LEO’s fight criminals and crime, two different fights, different rules, different combatants.

LEO’s are trained to be defensive and learn defensive tactics, techniques and procedures (TTP’s).

Warriors are trained to be offensive and learn offensive TTP’s.

LEO’s are trained to arrest individuals employing a “force continuum”.

Warriors are trained to kill individuals, destroy structures, infrastructures, industrial complexes, military bases, seize airports & cities and bring nations or dictators to their knees.

At the end of a day LEO’s get to take off their body armor and go home.

Warriors are deployed for years at a time in semi or non-permissive areas sleeping in their armor 24 hours a day.

LEO’s are trained to engage threats from about 21 feet.

Warriors are trained engage threats from over the horizon, from underground, from above, from the sea, and soon I’m sure, from space.

There is not one federal, state or local law enforcement agency that would last 30 seconds against a trained platoon of Marine Infantry. It’s not the big difference in men but their training and mindset.

Some of my best friends are LEO’s and they are just that, officers of the law, not warriors.

Team Sergeant

I agree with the above, but would like to add that there are plenty of soldiers/Marines who are not warriors and plenty of LEO's that are both.

[60_Driver]

Originally Posted by Five-O

plenty of LEO's that are both.

And that, IMHO, is a problem.

The "break shit and kill people" mentality is a poor fit for a law enforcement job.

[Five-O]

Originally Posted by 60_Driver

And that, IMHO, is a problem.

The "break shit and kill people" mentality is a poor fit for a law enforcement job.

Agree 200%. However, the context of this thread (as I see it) is the warrior spirit and mentality: not the literal razing of a city block with HE. The type of mentality seen in the linked video starting at around 3:50 seconds in. Sometimes it's necessary to kill bad guys and break things (when all other avenues are exhausted). The cop on the windshield did not seem too concerned about getting home that night. That's the mentality I am referring to.

http://cygnus_lawenforcement.permiss...&showid=378811

[Geo]

Originally Posted by 60_Driver

And that, IMHO, is a problem.

The "break shit and kill people" mentality is a poor fit for a law enforcement job.

I try to read and learn most of the time. I pray to God that we have law enforcement officers that can "break shit and kill people." I don't mean a rogue cop running around violating people's rights. We need officers who are able to step forward and stomp the guts out of the felon trying to break into a house in the middle of the night.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by Geo

I try to read and learn most of the time. I pray to God that we have law enforcement officers that can "break shit and kill people." I don't mean a rogue cop running around violating people's rights. We need officers who are able to step forward and stomp the guts out of the felon trying to break into a house in the middle of the night.

IMHO its all about controlled aggression. There are days that we as LEO's need to break shit and kill people. But TS is right at the end of the day/night I get to go home take off my Armor kiss my wife and kid and go to sleep in my own bed in my own home. I don't sleep in a sleeping bag is some shit hole half way around the world and not see my family for months or years at a time. Kudos to those who do thank you for your service.

[Geo]

You are exactly right Smokin Joe. There are better men than I doing great things half way around the world. I will try do to my part here, taking care of the "home grown" pieces of trash. With a cool head of course.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

LOL

WARRIOR

war•ri•or (wôr - r, w r -) KEY

One who is experienced in battle or war, soldier.

I don't think of police officers when I think of warriors.

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

[Tuukka]

Correct me if I am mistaken, but wasnt Suarez convicted of a felony ?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Five-O

I agree with the above, but would like to add that there are plenty of soldiers/Marines who are not warriors and plenty of LEO's that are both.

I disagree.

Unless you're talking about LEO's that have in the past been in the US military, then yes, I would agree somewhat with your blanket statement. To say some Marines and Army soldiers are not warriors, I'd have to see to whom you're pointing the finger at.....


In order to have the warrior mindset one requires warrior training.

Men are not born warriors; they are trained to become warriors. Individuals that train warriors are themselves warriors.

LEO’s do not possess the requisite training unless they have in the past received training from a true warrior, or, have been a soldier or Marine before becoming an LEO. To say some have the warrior “mindset” would be to instill a false sense of confidence/security. (Sometimes I’d like to think I have a physicist mindset, then again I don’t pretend to actually have one as I've not had their years of training.)

War is unlike any experience civilians would ever encounter except on a battlefield. I don’t think any LEO has ever faced one million plus enemy warriors, all at the same time and all with one thought, to destroy you by any means. When warriors fight “wars” they take property and destroy the enemy, by the thousands.

Killing one cracked up armed robber does not make one a warrior nor does it mean they possess the warrior mindset. When someone mentions the warrior mindset and LEO training I always think of the North Hollywood shootout, two armed bad guys, in the open hold 100 LA cops at bay for 45 minutes….I make a point of this incident because it was not some small town police force that was held at bay but the well trained LA police officers. Again I make this point, given the same weapons and same bad guys but change the LA officers out for the same number of Army or Marine infantry, with the police weapons, those two morons would not have lasted 45 seconds.

LEO’s are not warriors, warriors are not LEO’s, different jobs, different training. Warriors defend nations; LEO’s enforce the laws of those nations.

Mr. Suarez should rename his warriortalk fourms to pregnanttalk forums as his experience in both would be about equal.

Please spare me the civilian “warrior” mindset.

Team Sergeant