Suicide Bombing Aims for Bhutto; Kills at least 123

x-factor · 10-18-2007, 19:48

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21344367/

She just returned from exile to leader her party in Parliamentary elections in January. She hadn't been in the country for even 24 hours yet.

82ndtrooper · 10-18-2007, 21:13

I was wondering how long it would take. then heard it this morning on Fox.

Guess their bang men were anxious to meet Allah.

Seraph · 10-19-2007, 01:28

Shocking

126 dead - seems alot for a small and a larger bomb?

Bhutto said before:"I am not scared. I am thinking of my mission" - guess she'll be revising that train of thought!

CPTAUSRET · 10-19-2007, 01:33

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Shocking

126 dead - seems alot for a small and a larger bomb?

Bhutto said before:"I am not scared. I am thinking of my mission" - guess she'll be revising that train of thought!

Perverse, depraved!

But I would not call it "Shocking"!

Seraph · 10-19-2007, 14:34

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Perverse, depraved!
But I would not call it "Shocking"!

Perhaps shocking then, given that Bhutto was categorically warned of very possible bombings. By decided to proceed regardless.
Seems she sign those victims' death warrant there and then.

Either way, to me at least, outside of Iraq/Afghan, 130 killed in a suicide bomb attack still seems shocking.

jatx · 10-19-2007, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Perhaps shocking then, given that Bhutto was categorically warned of very possible bombings. By decided to proceed regardless.
Seems she sign those victims' death warrant there and then.

Either way, to me at least, outside of Iraq/Afghan, 130 killed in a suicide bomb attack still seems shocking.

Not sure I follow your logic. Isn't the bombing to be blamed on the bombers?

82ndtrooper · 10-19-2007, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Shocking

126 dead - seems alot for a small and a larger bomb?

Bhutto said before:"I am not scared. I am thinking of my mission" - guess she'll be revising that train of thought!

What is truely shocking is to watch as 3,000 American citizens are killed with 4 Jetliners piloted by Islamic radicals under the direction of Bin Ladin on September 11, 2001.

We haven't forgotten.

60_Driver · 10-19-2007, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Perhaps shocking then, given that Bhutto was categorically warned of very possible bombings. By decided to proceed regardless.
Seems she sign those victims' death warrant there and then.

WTF?!?! What color is that kool-aid so I can stay faaar away...?

clapdoc · 10-19-2007, 21:33

I watched the video on Fox tonight. The cowards detonated the bomb in a crowed corner during the parade. We know about deaths but what about wounded, the explosion was a lot bigger than a grenade and was at waist level. We all know that an elevated burst causes more damage than a ground burst. I am just glad that the lady had the guts to go back and help her nation.

clapdoc sends.

JMI · 10-20-2007, 05:31

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Seems she sign those victims' death warrant there and then.

WTF? Lets keep this in perspective - the bombers are responsible, not her. You cannot blame an individual for breathing clean air.

casey · 10-20-2007, 07:18

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Originally Posted by Seraph

Perhaps shocking then, given that Bhutto was categorically warned of very possible bombings. By decided to proceed regardless.
Seems she sign those victims' death warrant there and then.

Either way, to me at least, outside of Iraq/Afghan, 130 killed in a suicide bomb attack still seems shocking.

I believe the UK was warned as were the rest of us to convert or be killed several times since the origional fatwa - a threat that continues to this day.

So, ...have you converted?

If not, then perhaps in great measure, it is you, who is responsible for the 7-7 bombings, the attempts on 7-21, Operation Overt, Tiger Tiger Club/Glasgow and the continued plethora of attempts to kill more of your countrymen/woman that have been thwarted.

Its not the number of people who perish that should be shocking to you at all. "Suicide bombing", as any true LEO understands is pure unadulterated MURDER - committed by a MURDERER who needs to be held accountable.

By your logic, the 2 retired LEO's (working as armored car guards) who were ambushed and murdered here a few weeks ago were responsible for their own deaths, as clearly they were categorically warned that transporting money might make them a target.......

Seraph · 10-20-2007, 12:37

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Originally Posted by jatx

Not sure I follow your logic. Isn't the bombing to be blamed on the bombers?

Let me try and clarify my point gents, as we seem adrift here a little.

Jatx - Yes, of course it's the bombers' actions responsible. So my point, and it wasn't a strong belief, was if Bhutto had heeded the warning allegedly given, presumably the bombs would not have gone off.
I appreciate this doesn't really mitigate the situation, but food for thought perhaps.
The further point i was making was, although I'm certainly not over informed on all things incendiary, to me, it seemed like a big toll for a small incident, yes?

82nd Trooper- Yes, without any doubt at all, 911 was on a whole new scale of tragedy compared to this. It is no way lessened, and in no way forgotten. RIP.

60-driver & JMI - see above response to jatx.

Casey - You seem to have a vivid imagination. You have taken something out of context here. It seems a bizarre suggestion that I am in some way responsible for anything remotely linked to either terrorism or religious extremism.
My point is obviously misunderstood. It's not one trying to hold ANY bomber unaccountable. Not by a long shot. Yes, murder is murder, by one or by many. It is no less tolerable for one reason over another.
My point, however tenuous, was simply proposing that had Bhutto heeded warning, perhaps Innocent people would still be here.
You further have no need to remind me of the terrorism present here. It is very much in everyones' minds still.
I'm sorry that two LEO's families are now without loved ones. But if my analogy is applied correctly to their situation, if they had a 'strong' warning of an impending ambush, maybe they would have made provision for it. And maybe things might have turned out different.

I hope this clarifies my thinking and restores me to the good guys again!

afchic · 10-20-2007, 13:03

Seraph

Let me get this straight, you think she should have heeded the warnings of terrorists??? And because she didn't she is somehow responsible for the death of those innocent civilans??

If we all heeded the warnings given to us by those we are currently fighting, this world be a lot different than it is today, and not for the better.

This woman had the guts to stand up for what she thinks is right, and now you are laying the deaths of 123 civilians at her feet? What you are suggesting sir is cowardice!!!! "Because I am afraid of what the bad guys are threatening to do to me, I am not going to do what I should" In my estimation there is nothing more cowardly than that. Let someone stand up for what is right, while you live under the protection they provide. Cowardice pure and simple.

Seraph · 10-21-2007, 02:41

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Seraph
Let me get this straight, you think she should have heeded the warnings of terrorists??? And because she didn't she is somehow responsible for the death of those innocent civilans??

Well, yes and no.
I'm simply suggesting 'what if'. If you note the tone of my post, you'll see I'm not making a factual statement so speak, but merely proposing it by saying 'perhaps'.

Technically, it wasn't the terrorists warning her, but her own people. But it amounts to the same thing I guess. On reflection, I guess she can't be held accountable. After all, she didn't make those civilians be there. They were there out of choice.

I appreciate your point, and it is a fair point.

To be honest, my primary point in this thread wasn't about fault, it was about the numbers involved.

JMI · 10-21-2007, 08:01

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Originally Posted by Seraph

My point, however tenuous, was simply proposing that had Bhutto heeded warning, perhaps Innocent people would still be here.

That is exactly what the terrorists are trying to say.