09-18-2007, 17:41
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Green Berets Face Hearing
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/us...erland&emc=rss
There's definitely more to this than meets the eye. Best of luck to MSgt A and Capt S. And all the other members of ODA374.
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09-18-2007, 17:49
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New York Times
Personally, I would not post anything from the NYTimes on this websight, but that's just me.
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09-19-2007, 20:15
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MSG Anderson worked for me in Yuma and is a great NCO.
I hope this works out for him.
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09-19-2007, 20:29
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Is that the same General that ran the Marines out of country?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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09-19-2007, 20:49
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Is that the same General that ran the Marines out of country?
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According to the article, yes it is.
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09-20-2007, 04:23
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This Mornings Paper
From the Fayetteville Observer
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=272793
They got "cakked" by the defense team.
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09-20-2007, 06:18
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The damage is already done. This will be in the mind of every SF soldier who is placed in a similar situation......
Jim
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09-20-2007, 06:49
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I can almost assure you that it was in the mind of some BEFORE this situation. 
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09-20-2007, 07:51
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“Why are we here?” asked Maj. Lance Daniels, the military lawyer representing Anderson.
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ROTFLMAO! Finally, a lawyer I can relate to....
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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09-20-2007, 08:06
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Is this an Art 32 investigation, or has it progressed past that phase?
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09-20-2007, 08:22
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Is this an Art 32 investigation, or has it progressed past that phase?
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Art 32! But it still sucks!
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Breaking a law or violation of a regulation is not a mistake. It is willful misconduct.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." [Samuel Adams]
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09-20-2007, 10:25
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Is this an Art 32 investigation, or has it progressed past that phase?
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Art 32! But it still sucks!
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UNDERSTOOD!
I was subjected to two Art 32 investigations during my rather stormy (non illustrious) career, one of which was the result of throwing a dirtbag off the top of a two story guard bunker in VN.
I caught him asleep on guard on three different occasions, wrote him up the first time, Can Tho 1969, no one wanted to make waves nothing happened to him. The second time I ordered him to meet me behind the Op's tent the next morning, "Don't wear a shirt, I wont either!" I told him. He got a chance to kick a CWO's ass, he failed...Caught him again, asleep on top of the guard tower, on the sandbags and put him over the side. It was wrong. I knew it. I would do it again!
Didn't mean to hijack this thread, I am praying these two warriors are vindicated!
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09-20-2007, 14:51
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IMHO,
These Soldiers are the best at what They do!!!
Let Them do Their jobs, for cryin' out loud! 
Why in the world would we subject Our Bravest to this idiotic inquiry?
They are the ones fighting this war...They're not sitting behind a desk somewhere, collecting bonus miles!
Holly
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09-20-2007, 21:05
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WTF is going on???
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Mark Waple, a civilian lawyer representing Captain Staffel, said the charges against his client and Sergeant Anderson carry a whiff of “military politics.” In an interview, Mr. Waple said that General Kearney proceeded with murder charges against the two soldiers even after an investigation by the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command concluded in April that the shooting had been “justifiable homicide.”
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If CID cleared it, than why the fuss. I see the General, just recieved his third star. Is there any relation to his actions against SOF forces?
DW
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09-20-2007, 21:21
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If CID cleared it, than why the fuss. I see the General, just recieved his third star. Is there any relation to his actions against SOF forces?
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Yep.
Clearly, wrongfully persecuting SF soldiers is viewed as career enhancing by his superiors.
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