Your Never Done !!!

7624U · 07-14-2007, 08:34

We just had a young E-4 get a wake up call here at Phase II
He got his GO on patrol and was done with Phase II totaly all we had left was clean up and then he would get on the trucks back to bragg the following day.
Here at SUT, students pull fire guard every night.
Well this young stud was awoken for his shift at fire guard, he proceded to tell the E-6 that just got done doing his shift, that he was not going to pull fire guard and he couldent make him! They argued for a a short while and a few of the squad members including one of the 0-3's in that squad,
The Cpt told this E-4 he needed to get up and pull his shift, The next responce out of this SPC mouth was shut up Sir your just a student just like everyone else and im trying to sleep. (WRONG RESPONCE TROOP!!!)
rank here is just like any place in the army. Long story short this Squad told on him and wrote sworn statements.
the E-4 was taken to the BN CSM's office and then to the BN commander
He was Droped entirely from the Q-course, and on top of that is reciving a article 15 for disrespecting a officer.
(note: never think you are done even when you graduate from this course you can still have your tab revoked, SF is a MOS its not just a school.)

Fiercely Loyal · 07-14-2007, 08:41

Wow. A wake up call indeed.

jevo1976 · 07-14-2007, 08:48

I'm a little bit surprised that the behavior exhibited in that particular incident wasn't displayed sooner in the course or in peer evaluations. But sometimes guys can be pretty good at playing the game and getting through. I guess he thought he was finished. Now it looks like he really is.

Good riddance.

QRQ 30 · 07-14-2007, 08:57

In the first place I don't know why any one bothered with him He doesn't sound like anyone I would want on a team.

I remember someone once saying they couldn't make him contributre to the "Unitred Way:. The response was: "You're right but we can sure make You wish you had!"

**Peregrino** · 07-14-2007, 08:58

Nice to see the system work (early enough that a team in the war zone doesn't have to deal with a problem child). Quality control is ALWAYS a peer issue; it looks like his team mates "took out the trash." What is it TR's said so many times - "character is the one thing we can't train"? Maybe that's why "can be counted on to play well with others under all conditions" is such an important trait. Peregrino

soldierteacher · 07-14-2007, 09:25

Well Now wouldn't it be grand if they somehow use this incident to demonstrate how arrogance and one forgetting his place might cost you in the Q crs....goes to "hey soldier, don't mistake your situation with my rank"...what I do not understand is why there was not sworn statement by this miserable piece of @#*% claiming how those Squad members beat the hell out of him.....I do like the fact he received UCMJ action....but it was great to hear the CoC put him out of SF....teams do not need people like him...for that matter neither does the Army...

Snaquebite · 07-14-2007, 10:42

I'm a little surprised that his attitude problem wasn't recognized earlier and wasn't peered out before the end of PH II.

SF_BHT · 07-14-2007, 10:47

Glad to see the system still working.

I remember Phase I and a guy did not want to pull Fire Watch. He was found out in the snow 15 min later tied up and sporting some new tattoos The Tac figured out the problem and moved him, a week later he was booted for the same thing (Sleeping on GUARD DUTY)and almost burning up the shack. UCMJ Followed and never could come back.

I saw him in the 82d months later and he had been busted from SGT to PFC by division for something. True colors are hard to Hide.

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 07-14-2007, 14:00

It doesn't hurt to remind these folks from time to time that earning the beret is a whole lot easier than wearing it. You come out of the Q qualified to cross over the threshold of the team room and that's all. Good catch on this one!

QRQ 30 · 07-14-2007, 14:19

In Kontum I was a SSG and 1-0 of ST Delaware. My 1-1 was an O2. There was never any doubt about who was boss on the ground but I still showed 1Lt Hamrick all respect due him. We were close as team members can be. In fact I even let him talk on the radio - a rare distinction. I prefer to do the talking.

At the other end of the scale we were on an operation and, as always had trackers on us. During a security break my SP4 1-2 got up and started passing around cigarettes and bs'ing with the indig. He dropped his ruck to boot. I told him to take his position, shut up and never separate from his gear. His rtesponse was: "WHY?" The only reason I didn't shoot the sucker was that it would have made too much noise. That was his first and last operation.

I pulled 100% equipment checks prior to insertion. I think all 1-0s did. Indig had a habit of "forgetting" heavy things. I included my U.S. in the inspection to be fair. Once in Khe Sahn I got the same answer when I told a new 1-2 to lay out his shit. "WHY". We inserted one man short and that clown was no longer in the FOB when we returned. I was beginning to wonder what they taught in Training Group. This was in '68 and I guess they were rushing things to meet manpower quotas. I'm glad things are back to where they should have been all along.