Ripping the lid off a secret immigration deal

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[Gypsy]

Good on 'em. This bill is total insanity.

[Sionnach]

I just listened to Boortz take on Tony Snow over the bill. You could hear the frustration in Tony's voice. I think the POTUS is getting massive heat over this bill, as well he should.

I'm very pro-immigration, but an illegal criminal alien is NOT an immigrant. Immigrants love their new country, they learn the language, and become a part of the country.

My AFDB side thinks this bill is nothing less than an attempt to undermine our Constitution, and to move towards a single North American union.

[The Reaper]

Well, Senator Dole stood her ground, but it looks like the junior Senator from NC folded when it got to crunch time.

My letter to him.

Sir:

What a coincidence to receive your letter replying
to my email about S. 1639 on the same day that you
voted to support it.

Unfortunately, you stated in your letter of June 14
that you did not support cloture as the bill was
flawed, and then voted for cloture today.

Sir, if you have no moral courage to stand for your
convictions in the face of pressure, frankly, I do
not think that you have what it takes to be a
Senator from the state of North Carolina.

I am looking forward to the next Senatorial
campaign back here in NC where your voting record
and support of an amnesty bill can be debated
more thoroughly.

I think that you need to return to NC and live here
among the illegals with the rest of us regular
citizens for a while to regain an appreciation for
what they are costing this country every day.

Thank you for showing your true colors. They
appear to be Red, White, and Green.

Very Respectfully-
TR
(A constituent, voter, and former supporter)

[Kyobanim]

ROCK ON, TR!

[nmap]

On the one hand, the public strongly opposes the bill. But many Senators support it, without regard to the voters. Why?

[8944]

To All:
Here's my spin on immigration. I wrote my Senator from South Carolina and the President. This crap must be stopped - we will mortgage our children's future if this thing is not handled correctly. My note to the President follows:
Memorandum
To: George Bush
From: Dan Watson
Date: 6/26/07
Re: Immigration Bill
President Bush:
Following is a letter that I wrote to Senator Graham from my home state of South Carolina. I believe vehemently that these basic tenets need to be observed in the pending Immigration Bill. This whole thing is being rushed without adequate explanation to the US public. As the bill is currently stated – I predict dire consequences for the US economy and the US culture will result from the approval of this bill. There is a reason why US confidence in Congress is at historic lows. The body has demonstrated only parochial leadership on both sides of the aisle. It’s time for you to step up and get this thing done correctly. I am a lifelong Republican, voted for you in both elections as well as your father. Get this thing done.


Senator Graham:
You need to assure that the final approved immigration bill covers the following subjects:
1.) Secure the border with physical, electronic or any other prudent means to stop the influx of illegal immigrants. Enforce this with the National Guard - bring them home from Iraq and put them to use protecting our borders.
2.) Assure that the unknown number (10-12 million??) illegal immigrants does not grow by allowing relatives currently outside the US a "free pass" through immigration due to their relationship to someone who is already here illegally.
3.) Deport all those who have committed felonies immediately.
4.) Require a demonstration of ability to converse in English. The bill is so weakly worded currently that showing up for an English class and making “0” progress meets the requirement.
5.) If they need legal assistance - have them get in line behind current Americans needing legal assistance.
6.) Have the Senate Staff personnel put together an accurate synopsis of this bill - who the hell can understand 800 pages of gibberish put together by a D.C lawyer? It is obvious that you don't want the US citizens to understand this Bill.

Lifelong Republican.


Dan Watson

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by nmap

On the one hand, the public strongly opposes the bill. But many Senators support it, without regard to the voters. Why?

In the case of the Dems, I believe it is hopes for 12,000,000 new constituents, or at least, new entitled citizens.

On the Republican side, special interests and the POTUS, who appears to be chucking his conservative values (again) for a potential legacy issue.

TR

[cold1]

The Reaper, I called senator Burrs office this morning to tell him to vote no, So did several of my family members. We have been betrayed. Also have you noticed his web site has an "en espanol" translation button on it? What a sell out.

8944, One item that I would like to see addressed is what is the punishment for non compliance. Everyone on both side have been talking about how the illegals will comply an become citizens, but no one has addressed what will happen if they just say "to hell"with it. The illegals already have a track record of not obeying the laws, so why would this new bill compel them to do so now?

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by cold1

The Reaper, I called senator Burrs office this morning to tell him to vote no, So did several of my family members. We have been betrayed. Also have you noticed his web site has an "en espanol" translation button on it? What a sell out.

8944, One item that I would like to see addressed is what is the punishment for non compliance. Everyone on both side have been talking about how the illegals will comply an become citizens, but no one has addressed what will happen if they just say "to hell"with it. The illegals already have a track record of not obeying the laws, so why would this new bill compel them to do so now?

Sec. 275A. (a) In General- In addition to any other penalty, an alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act shall be guilty of a felony and shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, imprisoned not less than 1 year, or both, and the assets of such an alien shall be subject to forfeiture under title 18, United States Code.

`(b) Defense- An alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act shall not be subject to the penalties described in subsection (a), if such period of unlawful presence began upon the expiration of a period of the alien's lawful presence in the United States and the alien failed to depart the United States at the expiration of the period of lawful presence due to an exceptional and extremely unusual hardship or physical illness that prevented the alien from departing the United States.'.

(2) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of contents of the Immigration and Nationality Act is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 275 the following:

`Sec. 275A. Criminal penalties and forfeiture for unlawful presence in the United States.'.

(b) Increase in Criminal Penalties for Illegal Entry- Section 275(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1325(a)) is amended by striking `not more than 6 months,' and inserting `not less than 1 year,'.



Mind you the Secretary of Homeland Security has to come up with facilities to detain up to 20,000 illegals (including accomdodations for families) and is to consider the possibility of using Federal property that has been designated for BRAC....of course the housing area will have to be upgraded and modernized once the military dependants get out of there....

[The Reaper]

I have Burr's reply to my previous correspondence in my hand, received today where he states, and I quote, "On June 7, I voted against cloture, or ending debate, on S. 1348 because it needed sigmnificant improvements and fell short of legislation I could support." Well, WTF has changed? S. 1348 is the same legislation today that it was then.

Burr's poll numbers are not good, and this will probably put the nail in his coffin. He will be a one-term memory, like his predecessor.

Just so he didn't feel left out, I sent this to President Bush a few weeks before as well:

Mr. President:

Sir, I have supported you through thick and thin for many years now. First, when you were the Governor, then twice as President.

We are staunch Conservatives. We still have your campaign bumper stickers on our vehicles.

Over the years, I have wondered about your core values as you created new entitlement programs, pushed for bigger government, and seem to be lost when it comes to conservative values.

Now, after all of this, you come out in favor of this horrible amnesty bill.

Where is the fence we were promised?

Where are the new Border Patrol agents?

Where is the support for BP agents who shoot a drug smuggler in the course of their duties?

Why are businesses not punished for employing illegal aliens?

Why am I paying for social services for millions of criminals who do not want to be Americans?

Do we need 12 million new dual nationals?

Why do you want to load an already insolvent Social Security system with millions of new recipients who will never pay in what they will take out in benefits?

Why are illegal aliens allowed to use false IDs and avoid paying taxes?

Why do we need another 12 million Democratic voters, and a permanent shift in the landscape of our two party system?

Why do we allow illegals to obtain licenses and operate motor vehicles without insurance?

Why do we not issue the legal immigrants verifiable ID cards, and no one works without one?

Why do we allow millions of criminals to live on the largesse of the American public?

How many Americans need to die in the next terrorist attack when it comes across the unsecured Southern border of this nation?

If a neurosurgeon has to stand in line and wait his turn to come to the United States, how can a drunken gang member without a high school diploma who washes cars for a living move to the top of the list?

Why do I have to press 1 for English in the United States? If Urdu were my primary language, should I expect that to be an option as well?

In short, when do we start defending the sovereignty of the US against illegal aliens?

Why are we not deporting more people? You say that it cannot be done, but I am sure that on 7 December 1941, no one envisioned the end of the Second World War or that we would have nuclear weapons by the end of it either. If we can put a man on the moon, we can use local, state, and federal authorities to round up people and put them on trains back home. These people are not American citizens and should not enjoy our rights and benefits. I am sure that the Mexican government does not offer Americans there similar largesse. The illegals are, by definition, here in violation of our laws, need to go home, and to apply to come back here. We can then let in as many as we need or want.

Why are we pandering to criminals who want to remain Mexicans, but want American rights and privileges?

This new legislation will do little but encourage another 12 million to come here illegally for the amnesty program and live large at our expense.

Why?

I guess that you consider me just another ignorant bigot.

Let me mention here that I am a Special Forces soldier who is fluent in Spanish, immersed in the Latin culture, and have spent much more time in Latin America serving my country than you have in the White House.

Sir, maybe you do not care about your legacy. Maybe you do. I would say that the only really positive things you have done at this point is to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, try to pull us together after 9/11, let us SF guys do our jobs in Afghanistan, and appointed two centrist judges to the SCOTUS. The rest is mostly negative. Do you really want to be known as the President who signed legislation that ended the American Dream as we know it? Please do not make this mistake before we regain control of our borders, which will take longer than you have remaining in office.

Protect us. Protect this country. Encourage the Mexican government to clean up their society and take care of their people. Not ours. Don't pander to the liberals, who hate you anyway. Do the right thing, and let the consequences follow.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

With utmost respect-

TR

[Guy]

This "immigration" fiasco just makes me sick!

Stay safe.

[Roycroft201]

Mr. President:

Sir, I have supported you through thick and thin for many years now. First, when you were the Governor, then twice as President.

We are staunch Conservatives. We still have your campaign bumper stickers on our vehicles.

Over the years, I have wondered about your core values as you created new entitlement programs, pushed for bigger government, and seem to be lost when it comes to conservative values.

Now, after all of this, you come out in favor of this horrible amnesty bill.

Where is the fence we were promised?

Where are the new Border Patrol agents?

Where is the support for BP agents who shoot a drug smuggler in the course of their duties?

Why are businesses not punished for employing illegal aliens?

Why am I paying for social services for millions of criminals who do not want to be Americans?

Do we need 12 million new dual nationals?

Why do you want to load an already insolvent Social Security system with millions of new recipients who will never pay in what they will take out in benefits?

Why are illegal aliens allowed to use false IDs and avoid paying taxes?

Why do we need another 12 million Democratic voters, and a permanent shift in the landscape of our two party system?

Why do we allow illegals to obtain licenses and operate motor vehicles without insurance?

Why do we not issue the legal immigrants verifiable ID cards, and no one works without one?

Why do we allow millions of criminals to live on the largesse of the American public?

How many Americans need to die in the next terrorist attack when it comes across the unsecured Southern border of this nation?

If a neurosurgeon has to stand in line and wait his turn to come to the United States, how can a drunken gang member without a high school diploma who washes cars for a living move to the top of the list?

Why do I have to press 1 for English in the United States? If Urdu were my primary language, should I expect that to be an option as well?

In short, when do we start defending the sovereignty of the US against illegal aliens?

Why are we not deporting more people? You say that it cannot be done, but I am sure that on 7 December 1941, no one envisioned the end of the Second World War or that we would have nuclear weapons by the end of it either. If we can put a man on the moon, we can use local, state, and federal authorities to round up people and put them on trains back home. These people are not American citizens and should not enjoy our rights and benefits. I am sure that the Mexican government does not offer Americans there similar largesse. The illegals are, by definition, here in violation of our laws, need to go home, and to apply to come back here. We can then let in as many as we need or want.

Why are we pandering to criminals who want to remain Mexicans, but want American rights and privileges?

This new legislation will do little but encourage another 12 million to come here illegally for the amnesty program and live large at our expense.

Why?

I guess that you consider me just another ignorant bigot.

Let me mention here that I am a Special Forces soldier who is fluent in Spanish, immersed in the Latin culture, and have spent much more time in Latin America serving my country than you have in the White House.

Sir, maybe you do not care about your legacy. Maybe you do. I would say that the only really positive things you have done at this point is to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, try to pull us together after 9/11, let us SF guys do our jobs in Afghanistan, and appointed two centrist judges to the SCOTUS. The rest is mostly negative. Do you really want to be known as the President who signed legislation that ended the American Dream as we know it? Please do not make this mistake before we regain control of our borders, which will take longer than you have remaining in office.

Protect us. Protect this country. Encourage the Mexican government to clean up their society and take care of their people. Not ours. Don't pander to the liberals, who hate you anyway. Do the right thing, and let the consequences follow.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

With utmost respect-

TR

TR:

We need you in public office or in public life (A radio talk show host ? )

Great letter.


RC201

[sg1987]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Protect us. Protect this country. Encourage the Mexican government to clean up their society and take care of their people. Not ours. Don't pander to the liberals, who hate you anyway. Do the right thing, and let the consequences follow.


TR

Sir,
Your passion sounds similar to the passionate words of William Wallace in Braveheart!
Remember the scene when Wallace encourages Robert the Bruce to be king and face the English? “Unite us. Unite the clans.”...
“Help me. In the name of Christ, help yourselves. If we join, we can win. If we win, well then we'll have what none of us has ever had before: a country of our own.”

Also remember that the Bruce sold his fellow Scots down the river!

[cold1]

Thank you for the info Ret10Echo.

I still dont see this as an enforcable punishment. We, the people, will get the same rhetoric that we have been getting. We will be told again "how do we put 20000 in prison". The politicians will come up with the same excuses that have been used for the last 10 years. How do we house 20000, how do we feed 20000, our prison system is alredy over crowded, it will hurt the economy to remove 20000 from the work force. If we do put them in prison the tax payer is still picking up the tab for their existance.

The illegals have shown a blatent disregard for our laws. They have banned together for demonstrations and political rallies. Our politicians have allowed this to happen. They have not shown any backbone with regards to these actions. I predict that if this bill is passed that nothing will change, the illegals will ban together and say " we wont do it and there is nothing you can do about it". The politicians have set a precedent in that they have not held up the current laws and have given many excuses for the rights of illegals to be here.

TR, you sir are an eloquent speaker and a great Patriot. Thank you.