Dems declare war is Lost

[Warrior-Mentor]

Things didn't look too good for the North even up to a year before the end of the Civil War...


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

The war in Iraq "is lost" and a US troop surge is failing to bring peace to the country, the leader of the Democratic majority in the US Congress, Harry Reid, said Thursday.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Reid told journalists.

Reid said he had delivered the same message to US President George W. Bush on Wednesday, when the US president met with senior lawmakers to discuss how to end a standoff over an emergency war funding bill.

"I know I was the odd guy out at the White House, but I told him at least what he needed to hear ... I believe the war at this stage can only be won diplomatically, politically and economically."

Congress is seeking to tie funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to a timetable to withdraw US troops from Iraq next year, but Bush has vowed to veto any such bill and no breakthrough was reported from the White House talks.

Bush on Thursday was addressing an Ohio town hall meeting and defending the war on terror launched in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.


"It is the most solemn duty of our country, is to protect our country from harm," Bush told the invited audience in Tipp, Ohio.

"A lesson learned was that -- at least in my opinion -- that in order to protect us, we must aggressively pursue the enemy and defeat them elsewhere so that we do not have to face them here."

But Reid drew a parallel with former US president Lyndon Johnson who decided to deploy more troops in Vietnam some 40 years ago when 24,000 US troops had already been killed.

"Johnson did not want a war loss on his watch, so he surged in Vietnam. After the surge was over, we added 34,000 to the 24,000 who died in Vietnam," Reid said.

The comments came a day after bombers killed more than 200 people in a slew of car bombings in Baghdad, dealing a savage blow to the US security plan which aims to deploy an extra 30,000 troops in the country to quell sectarian unrest.

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates fly into Iraq Thursday on an unannounced visit for talks with top US military commanders there.

He met with General David Petraeus, chief of coalition forces in Iraq, his deputy Lieutenant Colonel Ray Odierno and Admiral William Fallon, chief of US forces in the Middle East.

[Hipshot]

Just how stupid are these folks? I guess they'll wait until the Islamic Fundamentalists have taken control of Iraq and all of the Middle East, then worry about why gas prices are soaring to $10 a gallon because they control the oil flow out of the area. You know, sometimes I think the light are burning but nobody's home between the 'dimocrats' ears.

[The Reaper]

So all of the lives lost and treasure spent has been in vain?

Who wants to be the the last to die?

Let's just pack up and come home now.

Thanks Harry!

What a bunch of cowardly surrender monkeys. I am ashamed that they are Americans.

If I was on a hijacked plane and the terrorists told me they were on their way to take out the Capitol, I would be sorely tempted to help them with this crew.

Self-serving bastidges.

TR

[Gypsy]

Thanks for looking out for us, Harry; what would we do without you.

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Don't you just know that this sound bite is playing all over Arab media tonight. Shades of TET 68 all over again. Got to be a traitorous/treasonous act here in aiding and abetting the enemy and I do not want to hear anyone talking to me about freedom of speech as this is akin to yelling fire in a crowed movie theater.

[Monsoon65]

I just read this crap a few minutes ago. I love how he practically ends all his announcements with, "The American people have spoken".

Guess what, Harry? YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING FOR ME!

[CoLawman]

Harry Reid and the Democratic Party will be the ruin of this country. I used to believe that the citizens of this nation would defend America against any enemy. The attack is from within and our citizens sit idly by drinking their Starbuck latte worrying about American Idol and Nicole Smith.

Et tu Harry?

Kyo called for action on a separate thread. Are we going to start taking our forum speak to a different level? We joke about nominating TR, TS and the Colonel to public office. We can no longer afford to joke. We need to direct our anger and our concern for this nation in a concerted and effective means.

Reid and his Dems are the feared "Red Horde" and they are not coming over the hill.......they have come over the hill.

I have discretionary funds for a fight. I have the energy and the drive for a fight. If I am not a sheep, then why am I not using my assets to defend my family and this nation against traitors to this nation?

We have the same abilities, possibly more, than the Swift Boaties. Let's use our combined resources to counterattack those who betray America. We will never have them tried for treason, but we can get their type defeated at the ballot box.

Get our your pen or your keyboard and let Neville Reid know that you are disgusted with him.

[Radar Rider]

It is all about history, actually. The democRATs called the effort in Vietnam a losing venture, and only the missteps of President Nixon's team (NOT the President himself) handed them (the cRATs) an opportunity to fuck the people of Vietnam. We left by 1973; the conventional NVA forces invaded in 1975. Because the democRATs refused to send our airpower, the communists triumphed.

My Dad was at Tan Son Nhut Air Base for 13 months; I was 5 years old and miss his presence to this day. We DID NOT LOSE Vietnam. It takes a lot of perspective to stand back and view our effort there; by taking a stand and fighting Communism face to face, the Soviet Union came to learn that it could not rule the world. It took many years and American lives in the conflict, but it has to be viewed in the greater perspective: We won, as the Soviet Union did eventually fall. Had we not fought, the Communists would only have gained strength and might very well be proceeding toward world dominance.

The same applies to today's Global War On Terrorism. We're going to have to continue to fight for a long time and fight hard.

We are not under Soviet rule; we'll not be under tango rule if we keep up the fire.

[x-factor]

Radar - It was either the President of Indonesia or Singapore who said that American involvement in Vietnam ended up being a victory, not because it secured Vietnam, but because it halted the spread of Asian communism long enough for the rest of SE Asia to secure itself (and later to enjoy the economic boom). Take that for what its worth.

[jbour13]

F*ck Harry Reid!!!

[Hipshot]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

If I drop off the net for a while, it's because after I get through blasting that SOB Reid by letter and email, I'll probably wind up a guest of Sheriff Joe here in the Phoenix area. After what my son's been through this week, the last thing I needed to hear was that he's declaring the war lost.

Warrior-Mentor had it right when he called him a traitor - I think he rates up there with Jane Fonda and the rest of those so-called peace-niks.

By the way - my son called again this morning (0900 MST) to let me know he was really OK. He had just gotten back from another patrol - sounded dead tired.

[jbour13]

We won't let you stay long

Good to hear he is good to go

Much agreed on the Traitorous behavior

Originally Posted by Hipshot

Ladies and Gentlemen:

If I drop off the net for a while, it's because after I get through blasting that SOB Reid by letter and email, I'll probably wind up a guest of Sheriff Joe here in the Phoenix area. After what my son's been through this week, the last thing I needed to hear was that he's declaring the war lost.

Warrior-Mentor had it right when he called him a traitor - I think he rates up there with Jane Fonda and the rest of those so-called peace-niks.

By the way - my son called again this morning (0900 MST) to let me know he was really OK. He had just gotten back from another patrol - sounded dead tired.

[CoLawman]

You are not the only one who sent that sawed off traitor correspondence. Good to hear about your son. Hang in there and keep sending those letters. TS and I have some friends in your area to keep you out of the cell with Bubba!

Originally Posted by Hipshot

Ladies and Gentlemen:

If I drop off the net for a while, it's because after I get through blasting that SOB Reid by letter and email, I'll probably wind up a guest of Sheriff Joe here in the Phoenix area. After what my son's been through this week, the last thing I needed to hear was that he's declaring the war lost.

Warrior-Mentor had it right when he called him a traitor - I think he rates up there with Jane Fonda and the rest of those so-called peace-niks.

By the way - my son called again this morning (0900 MST) to let me know he was really OK. He had just gotten back from another patrol - sounded dead tired.

[Hipshot]

Just fired off an email to Reid - I must admit I was much more civil than I thought I would be. Anyway, here's the text of what I wrote:

Sir:

Although I am not one of your constituents, I felt compelled to let you know how disgusted I am with your statement today to the journalists: "I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week".

I happen to have a son (my only son) currently serving with the 82nd Airborne Division and deployed in Sadr City. He's on his second deployment, having served in Sadr City back in 2005 with the 3rd Infantry Division.

It's comments like that that embolden the insurgents and make them do even more terrible acts against their own people. They know that all they have to do is rattle your (Democratic Party) cages enough that you'll cut-and-run.

My son is a third generation warrior proudly serving his country as I did during Vietnam and the first Gulf War, and his grandfather who flew 36 missions over Europe during World War 2. Until today, I was proud to be an American, but statements like that rank right up there with Jane Fonda and her treasonous activities during the Vietnam war. You, Sir, are keeping good company!

I doubt if you'll actually get to read this, but if you do, I hope it causes you to reflect on the impact it has on the morale of our troops. I wish I was articulate enough to express how I really feel.

If you and the other members of your party truly support the troops, then by God show it! Get off the dime, get them the tools they need to accomplish the mission they were assigned, then bring them home in honor. Let's not lose another one because we, as Americans, didn't have the courage to stay the course.

I'm sure Col M, TS or TR could have worded it a lot better, but this is just the warm-up! Wait till I really get going!

[Peregrino]

We probably need RL or AL (more AL's specialty) to confirm this but - IIRC - congresscritters CANNOT be charged with treason for actions taken in the course of their political activities. Like any number of other laws written by the politicians to protect thenselves as members of a priviledged class. Something about protecting/not stifling debate. Another reason to push for term limits. FWIW - Peregrino