03-21-2007, 02:46
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All I could do was stare....
in absolute disbelief as These photos from Portland Oregon were put on the internet.
I honestly do not know if I should even feel a reaction is necessary. There is a fraction of every population that is the extreme in word and deed. Political or otherwise.
Free speech? Aren't there limits? I honestly thought that there were limits on exactly what you could and couldn't do (and say) with regards to Our Flag and public obscenity.
For it's shock value it is something I will not soon forget, however, though I do not know these people, and really shouldn't care what they think or do...it sickens me to see this type of behavior coming from my United States. My Country. The land where I call my home.
Were I IN Portland, and had come across this demonstration, though outraged and saddened I wonder if I could have been a big enough person to just walk the other way..... 
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03-21-2007, 04:41
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Dispicable
Dispicable acts like this make me wonder why these people even remain residents of the United States. If they hate the flag and it's history and or the administration, they are free to pack up and move to France, Belgium, Mexico, Germany, Britain, etc.
It may be patriotic to question your government, but I've never understood the need to deface the United States flag as part of that demonstration. If I spray "KKK" on a school chalk board, its a hate crime and punishible in a court of law, but If I deface the flag, burn it, shit on it, and urinate on it in public it's protected by the 1st Amendment as freedom of speech. 
Portland seems to be filled with secular progressives, just as is San Fransico, Cali with little in the way of core values, unless of course you count having a gay porno day as part of your core value system. Immorality is to secular progressives as morality is to evangical christians. Both of course on the farther side of the spectrum. With this type of thinking, or ideology, is it any wonder that gay marriage and gay's in the military is becoming mainstream, and secular progressives see this as a field goal. Tolerance is their key word, but only to the extent that tolerance is on their side, not ours. Assuming your a patriot, and believe in Christ, and that a marriage is between a man a woman, and that our flag stands for freedom and the blood that has been shed to earn that freedom.
What a shame.
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03-21-2007, 04:47
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I wonder if I could have been a big enough person to just walk the other way..... Eagle |
If you could you would have been a better man than I! This is absolutely outrageous and what makes it worse, at present it is protected free speech.
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03-21-2007, 04:52
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Cycle of Democracy:
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
Figure we are somewhere around level 6.
Storms commin'
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03-21-2007, 05:11
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IT IS THE SOLDIER
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
Charles. M. Province
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03-21-2007, 07:03
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Loading issues with the link, anybody else find this?
Ret10 - how true.
Hostile - again, how true.
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03-21-2007, 07:58
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Is it not my right to express my opinion and free speech to kick the living shit out of people desecrating my flag?
If we do that to the Mexican flag, is it still free speech, or is it a hate crime?
TR
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03-21-2007, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
Cycle of Democracy:
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
Figure we are somewhere around level 6.
Storms commin'
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Ret10E,
Where is that from? It rings true.
Should have googled....this was with it......
Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse (a liberal gift) out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship
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03-21-2007, 08:15
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
If we do that to the Mexican flag, is it still free speech, or is it a hate crime?
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OUCH!--Dead on!
What is up with US citizens and their self loathing of their country?
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03-21-2007, 08:35
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No Go on Eagle5US's link to the pictures. Is there another or do I even want to see them?
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03-21-2007, 08:37
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No Go on Eagle5US's link to the pictures. Is there another or do I even want to see them?
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My guess would be that the site was taken down or is now receiving more "hits" than the server can handle.
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03-21-2007, 08:39
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Looks like somebody pulled it down......it worked for me earlier.
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03-21-2007, 08:43
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No Go on Eagle5US's link to the pictures. Is there another or do I even want to see them?
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I believe that it is visible on the Drudge Report, presently left column, about halfway down, entitled, "U.S. SOLDIER BURNED IN EFFIGY AT PORTLAND ANTI-WAR PROTEST..."
Maybe that explains where Mr. Harsey is right now, putting a boot in some deserving punk ass.
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03-21-2007, 09:09
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No defense, and no excuse, for such atrocious actions by these idiots.
This morning, I had glanced at the image on Drudge Report, and thought it was somewhere in the Middle East. It was after I saw this thread that I went back and realized that it was some worthless scumbags here in the U.S. that did this.
Unbelievable.
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Tolerance is their key word, but only to the extent that tolerance is on their side, not ours.
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Well said, 82ndtrooper. Tolerance is now a one way street, and it's going the wrong way. And that's why, and I'll say it again, I'm intolerant.
Go get 'em, Mr. Harsey.
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03-21-2007, 09:25
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Looks like somebody pulled it down......it worked for me earlier.
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I doubt it was pulled down. I didn't know it was on the "Drudgereport" until a minute ago. I've little doubt that the server is being overwhelmed with millions of hits from the Drudgereport readers. I read the Drudgereport all the time and this happens quite often when Drudge links to a website.
TS
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