02-27-2007, 15:23
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Larger SOCOM Will Better Answer Global Needs, Official Says
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02-27-2007, 15:39
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Bigger Shoe?
With a bigger SOC will we get a bigger Shoe?
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02-27-2007, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Pete
With a bigger SOC will we get a bigger Shoe?
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only if you are looking for a larger footprint...
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02-28-2007, 07:19
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Dang people, the puns are killing me. 
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02-28-2007, 07:50
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Does this mean, size matters?
Seriously - It looks as though a large portion of the 'growth' is pulling in units that are on the fringe, or in a support role. We know we can't mass produce true Special Operations Forces, it would be nice if the governmental 'leadership' would realize this. Conventionalizing SOF/SOCOM will be the biggest mistake the dims could make at this point. Special is in the title for a reason, it's not egalitarian, not every soldier is right for these units.
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02-28-2007, 08:08
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There are the same number of letters in the word AVERAGE as there is in the word SPECIAL......
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02-28-2007, 09:37
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I have long recommended that we make a tab that reads "AVERAGE FORCES" for those Badgefinders who want a uniform decoration to go with their black berets, but don't really meet the standards or have the desire to earn the real ones.
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02-28-2007, 09:40
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Standards???.....Earn????? You are dating yourself.
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01-27-2008, 15:16
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An slightly off-topic question.
Do you think everyone with the desire and measure up the the SO/SF standards get their opportunity?
Wouldn't it be nice if they had a magical sorting hat at basic... "Worthy" "Unworthy" "Desk Clerk" "Special Forces *Ding Ding Ding*
I also know that when someone gets too good at their job and yet want to change to another mos sometimes the paperwork gets lost... for a very long time... until you've been out of the army over 10 years, have a wife and a good job. Then they call you back up and ask if you want to consider re-enlisting to be a pilot like you wanted...
Happened to my uncle.
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01-27-2008, 18:29
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An slightly off-topic question.
Do you think everyone with the desire and measure up the the SO/SF standards get their opportunity?
Wouldn't it be nice if they had a magical sorting hat at basic... "Worthy" "Unworthy" "Desk Clerk" "Special Forces *Ding Ding Ding*
I also know that when someone gets too good at their job and yet want to change to another mos sometimes the paperwork gets lost... for a very long time... until you've been out of the army over 10 years, have a wife and a good job. Then they call you back up and ask if you want to consider re-enlisting to be a pilot like you wanted...
Happened to my uncle.
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Those who are really serious will be in active pursuit of the goal. There is a difference between waiting for an opportunity (passive) and being active in attaining that which you desire.
"Good" is the enemy of "Excellance"
What are you willing to settle for? 
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01-27-2008, 19:35
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The SOCOM Commander actually mentioned a Special Forces ODA? WOW!
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01-27-2008, 21:23
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Yeah, but he probably grimmaced when he said it, like it hurt his head.
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01-28-2008, 00:54
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Yeah, but he probably grimmaced when he said it, like it hurt his head.
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Naw he was smiling, probably thought the report was about Mr. T, Face, and crew! SOCOM Commander IS a Navy cat!
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01-28-2008, 05:52
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“We are fielding … the largest growth in special operations history without sacrificing quality along the way,”
Uh-huh... 
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01-28-2008, 13:30
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The SOCOM Commander has spent a suspiciously large amount of time around the school house lately...
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