02-13-2007, 18:22
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02-13-2007, 18:32
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Just got in from shoveling a foot of global warning off the driveway. I still belieeeeve, I still belieeeve...
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02-13-2007, 19:12
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Only in Washington DC.
What's next, a meeting on Global cooling being held in August, and that meeting is cancelled, because the Air Conditioner is broken ??
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02-13-2007, 20:40
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I've read Inconvenient Truth and seen the flick and have been following this in the news.
It's happening.
"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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02-13-2007, 20:55
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I don't think there are a whole lot of people out there who could argue that it (global warming) is happening. I mean come on people, the last ice age ended a while ago. Are Human Beings speeding things along, well that is another story, but if you figure that mother nature releases like 10 times the green house gases in a single volcanic eruption than humans since the industrial revolution, well, you get the idea, just a layman's approach to a fairly complex idear...
just my 2 cents, have a good un'
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02-13-2007, 22:36
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Additionally, I believe its incredibly self-absorbed to believe that by placing even stricter environmental standards on our auto emissions (which are already heavily regulated), our factory emissions (the difference in industrial waste reduction even since the 1970s is monumental), and some of our recycling "imperatives" that don't even save any energy--they simply conserve renewable resources that don't truly need recycling (i.e. paper).
Should one decide to remove their US-centric blinders, they'd find a staggering amount of harmful industrial emisssions coming from developing countries, to include China, Russia and former Soviet republics. While I don't have hard numbers (anyone want to volunteer to go to China or Russia and measure their current industrial output, which will require government-sponsored access in many cases?), industrial waste in some of these countries appears to mimic, on an individual mill basis, the neglect for the environment in the US from the 1920s to the early 1980s, but on a far larger scale. This is not only air pollution, but also water and land pollution. I mention Russia and China primarily due to their industrial advancement, and the sheer size of their industrial footprint.
Sure, as Americans we can employ ever-increasingly restrictive energy policies, but I fully believe that our efforts would be the drop in the proverbial million-gallon holding tank comparitively. How about we let all these other countries that have a long way to go to equal our pollution control catch up, and then see the results before we blindly prescribe yet another pill for the patient without knowing the effects of the other 50 he's already taking?
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02-14-2007, 06:15
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SOoooo, when the two feet of snow that will accumulate around the property here by tomorrow morning finally ceases, I can pull the Adirondack chairs out from under the drifts, kick back in my shorts, and watch it all melt. Now that is a good thing because I would hate to contribute to all those green house gases by cranking up my snowblower. Perhaps I can ask ALgore to join me in his thong (now there is a picture I would like to see you all shake for the rest of the day)
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02-14-2007, 06:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor
I've read Inconvenient Truth and seen the flick and have been following this in the news.
It's happening.
"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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That the planet is warming is not in dispute........ the dispute is over the cause and how much man is actually contributing to the warming.......
And the truth there is what???????
Jim
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02-14-2007, 06:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by incommin
That the planet is warming is not in dispute........ the dispute is over the cause and how much man is actually contributing to the warming.......
And the truth there is what???????
Jim
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I think the facts support that the earth is going through some climate shift as it has always done. What that means right now is anyone's guess and the data collection on events that take centuries to play out are not going to be valid over the period of anyone of these test tube measurers' life time. So if it gets too warm for maple syrup then grow kiwis and let's stop fretting about it.
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02-14-2007, 06:33
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And the truth is...
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Originally Posted by incommin
And the truth there is what???????
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The "we are the cause of global warming" crowd never does have a good explaination of the Medieval Warm period, must of been those pesky Vikings in their SUV long boats. That "short period" (1,500 years) warming cooling cycle study is also bad news and hard for the anti's to explain.
Their view is "If you can't beat them with facts shout them down."
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02-14-2007, 06:36
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Col. Sir
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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
SOoooo, when the two feet of snow that will accumulate around the property here by tomorrow morning finally ceases, I can pull the Adirondack chairs out from under the drifts, kick back in my shorts, and watch it all melt. Now that is a good thing because I would hate to contribute to all those green house gases by cranking up my snowblower. Perhaps I can ask ALgore to join me in his thong (now there is a picture I would like to see you all shake for the rest of the day) 
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Col. Sir, please, that image is already taking on way too many forms
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02-14-2007, 06:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
I think the facts support that the earth is going through some climate shift as it has always done. What that means right now is anyone's guess and the data collection on events that take centuries to play out are not going to be valid over the period of anyone of these test tube measurers' life time. So if it gets too warm for maple syrup then grow kiwis and let's stop fretting about it.
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I couldn't agree more, COL........
Jim
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02-14-2007, 06:49
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Beer
I like the study about wine and beer. Grapes were grown all over Europe but as the world cooled after the Medievel Warm period the Vinyards died off in England and The Germanic areas. They switched to grain and beer. The rest is history.
So tonight let's all raise a toast to Global Cooling and Beer.
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02-14-2007, 07:48
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Cows, more than cars, are the primary offender behind global warming. According to the UN Food and Agricultural Organization report, cattle emit 18% of greenhouse gases,more than all transportation combined. Add in all common livestock , and more than a third of all raw materials and fossil fuels consumed in the US are used in animal production.
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