11-19-2006, 16:13
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Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft
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11-19-2006, 16:16
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Bring Back the 60s
bring back the 60s, fun days for the Libs, burning draft cards, college protests, sit ins, border jumping to Canada.
Building a bigger force starts with funding from Congress. The rest just takes time.
Well Charlie? Wheres the money?
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11-19-2006, 16:39
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What is he think, well look at what America wants. Not the Draft.
He didn't get the point 2 years ago, so he think that now that DEMs are in "power" he can change the People.
Charlie Brown could never get the pumkin.
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11-19-2006, 18:27
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Good, I hope they do it. Then I can quit worrying about Shrillary in '08.
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11-19-2006, 19:30
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Then I can quit worrying about Shrillary in '08.
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Amen!!
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11-20-2006, 06:16
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I don't think you have to worry about Shrillary in '08. She is not "left enough" for the party. She will have to draw a major part of independents and I don't think she can do that.....
Jim
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11-20-2006, 06:19
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Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft
Nancy P in the Romper Room might sink the bitch !! 
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11-20-2006, 07:08
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I don't think you have to worry about Shrillary in '08. She is not "left enough" for the party.
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Don't be fooled by the "new" Hillary. She's as left as any of them. She's just wearing her "middle of the road" outfit hoping she'll get elected. Remember, she's the one who didn't want any military uniforms in the White House. Sounds like she's from SF.
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11-20-2006, 08:25
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My take...
The only reason he wants a draft is to force “unwilling” service members on the military. I truly believe they are both baffled and scared why (except for a select super minority) the US Military has supported wholeheartedly these recent operations. They can not comprehend why retention rates are at an all time high and even with the increased OPTEMPO soldiers continue to deploy two, three and four times into combat theaters.
Rangle feels that if he could “dilute” the military, and he could frighten the larger civilian population with the threat of a draft, he could reign in and restrict probably the most professional military this country has ever fielded. They fully expected the country to start a 60s style “revolution” against the war, but in all reality this war does NOT effect the average citizen, only the servicemen and their families. He feels that the only way to make the general US population “feel the pain” is to scare them with the threat of a draft.
I truly believe these people (like Rangel) are scared of us, and will do anything they can to cripple us and our ability to wage war on our enemies. Fortunately he probably has no traction and stands nearly no chance at passage.
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11-20-2006, 08:31
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Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft
Remember the movie "Seven Days in May"??
Maybe Charlie watched a rerun or DVD version. Maybe he is scared of lossing his job!!
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11-20-2006, 10:41
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Originally Posted by dennisw
Don't be fooled by the "new" Hillary. She's as left as any of them. She's just wearing her "middle of the road" outfit hoping she'll get elected. Remember, she's the one who didn't want any military uniforms in the White House. Sounds like she's from SF.
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She is in no way "from SF".
I know what you meant, but please do not use that abbreviation in that way here again.
Thanks.
TR
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11-20-2006, 11:38
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
She is in no way "from SF".
I know what you meant, but please do not use that abbreviation in that way here again.
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I second the motion presented by the COL.
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11-20-2006, 12:46
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Originally Posted by MtnGoat
What is he think, well look at what America wants. Not the Draft.
He didn't get the point 2 years ago, so he think that now that DEMs are in "power" he can change the People.
Charlie Brown could never get the pumkin.
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The idea of conscription would go over with the Congress about as well as a fart in church.
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11-20-2006, 12:47
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Well Charlie? Wheres the money?
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Tax increases...errr....restructuring
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11-20-2006, 12:56
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but in all reality this war does NOT effect the average citizen, only the servicemen and their families.
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Isn't this a bad thing?
Should I not be disturbed that 1% of the population (armed forces and kin) is shouldering the entire cost of our nations efforts? While the other 99% (civies, myself included) literally isn't even paying the tab (deficits). I think a draft would be a bad idea, but I cant help but think the public leans towards apathy while men and women in our Armed Forces are making the ultimate sacrifice.
I do not intend to throw bombs here, but wish to get the perspective of current and former members of the Armed Forces, for this issue has been tearing at me for sometime.
Am I wrong here?
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