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JP Microelectric Reflex sight
Looking to see if anyone has used a JP Microelectric Reflex sight 8 MOA?
I'm asked to get these over the EO Tech 552 sights.
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10-25-2006, 06:30
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Originally Posted by MtnGoat
Looking to see if anyone has used a JP Microelectric Reflex sight 8 MOA?
I'm asked to get these over the EO Tech 552 sights.
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Very similar to the J-Point and Docter Optic sight, these appear to me to be intended as a primary sight only on handguns. On long guns, they are best used as a secondary optical sight for CQB. Most frequently, I have seen them on top of an ACOG or on an accessory rail elsewhere.
I would not in any way consider them adequate replacements for an EOTech.
Good luck.
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10-25-2006, 07:49
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The Dot is to large for any distance shooting over 100m
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10-25-2006, 12:33
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+2. FWIW you might want to check out the EOTech 553. It's the size of a 551, uses the lithium 123 batteries, and has approximately 1000 hours of battery life. Well worth the slightly higher price IMHO. FWIW - Peregrino
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10-25-2006, 14:11
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A guy frequently borrows one of my rifles for 3-gun matches and he once returned it with one of these sights on the right accessory rail on a 45 degree mount -- he uses an ACOG for the long targets and the JP for the shorts (unfortunately he remembered to take off the ACOG!). This one below is the one he had.
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If that's the one you mean, you should know it's entirely made of plastic, including the lens/screen. Don't know if that's good or bad.
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10-25-2006, 14:25
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ALCON THX for the replies.
From talking to the "requester" it's a request for pistols and some ACOGs. Now it the justifcation factor thats kicking in. Do we need to spend the money on these or something else.
But thanks for you .02 and time.
BTW - How effective are these on M9s and 1911? Are they worth the cost to beneft?
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10-25-2006, 14:41
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Goat,
I'd say there is justification for a limited purchase, depending on your budget and current SOR. Realize that you could order every optic currently available and somone on the Team would soon find something new that he wanted to try out. Its the nature of who we are. Keep in mind that a pistol application will also lead to additional holsters that fit the sidearm with this optic.
FWIW, I carried a JPoint above my ACOG during my last rotation. It was sufficient for what I intended, as an addition to use for CQB when ops tranistion from one environment to another. I'm not a fan of switching gear based on the specific mission, but prefer to have one set up that I can apply for all.
The Jpoint is no more accurate than training yourself to shoot off the front sight post of the ACOG, but is easier to aquire when moving from a bright environment outdoors into a building.
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10-25-2006, 16:53
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Originally Posted by MtnGoat
ALCON THX for the replies.
From talking to the "requester" it's a request for pistols and some ACOGs. Now it the justifcation factor thats kicking in. Do we need to spend the money on these or something else.
But thanks for you .02 and time.
BTW - How effective are these on M9s and 1911? Are they worth the cost to beneft?
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I would not put them on issued M9s.
They are, as noted, a good set-up for the ACOGs if you are going to be in and out of vehicles and structures a lot. I usually just use the ACOG, but it is nice to have if you think you might have to shoot close and fast in low-light.
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If I may, I would like to resurrect this classic (  ) thread.
So, let's suppose I have some reasonably good 9mm or .40 handgun. I want quality sights. My purpose would be self-defense, either in my home or some other urban area. Concealed carry capability is important. Low-light is, of course, a possible environment.
A variety of reflex sights are available, some at the $200 level, others at higher prices. Are the existing iron sights (perhaps with tritium) better? Or is the new technology?
As nearly as I can tell from existing posts, the results are ambiguous. Some like reflex sights, others are unimpressed. Has the technology developed in 4 years?
Are the reflex sights delicate or robust?
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I had one mounted on an ELCAN and later an ACOG and found that with larger optical devices the center bore-center sight distance means you've got a considerable hold. Now I don't use it at all. IIRC it was almost a 5 inch center bore/sight difference.
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nmap - If you want something for concealed carry, get some Crimson Trace Lasergrips. They don't change the "bulk" of the weapon, increase the probability of snagging on clothing, or require compromises in carry options. If you are considering handgun hunting - go for it. I've played with them and on that basis will be buying two in the near future: one for a 629 that currently has an Aimpoint on it, and one for a Mk II that had a scope (pretty much one extreme to the other!).
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If I may, I would like to resurrect this classic ( ) thread.
So, let's suppose I have some reasonably good 9mm or .40 handgun. I want quality sights. My purpose would be self-defense, either in my home or some other urban area. Concealed carry capability is important. Low-light is, of course, a possible environment. A variety of reflex sights are available, some at the $200 level, others at higher prices. Are the existing iron sights (perhaps with tritium) better? Or is the new technology? As nearly as I can tell from existing posts, the results are ambiguous. Some like reflex sights, others are unimpressed. Has the technology developed in 4 years? Are the reflex sights delicate or robust? |
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I too was interested in terms of using one as a back up on a carbine and for that purpose I believe they are fine. I put mine on the forend at about 2 o'clock and it was very convenient to use. It did require a pretty strict firing position to pick up the dot.
For SAG I tried both a C-Mor and a standard M-68 on a 1911 target pistol just to see how they would work. Kind of a proof of principal before spending $500.00 or so on a micro sight. Much better than iron sights for the purpose of bullseye competition but quite difficult to pick up the dot. I was very surprised at this and thought it was just a matter of getting used to a specific position. Sure was but that position was more specific than I would want for a life / death situation so I wrote it off for life / death use.
I have also tinkered with lasers on carbines and in low light conditions they work. The problem is defining 'low light' as the light doesn't need to be real bright for it to become impossible to see the laser. Also, it takes your brain time to find the little laser beam and see it on the target. Then instead of accepting a hit, one is always prone to want to adjust for a better shot. Too much time spent finding the beam and then second guessing what is already good enough. Dangerously misdirected attentional focus and loss of SA (in my opinion).
Of course given time and effort, either one can become faster and more precise than using irons but it depends on how much time you want to spend dealing with position and second guessing issues instead of actually practicing.
The battery debate is one you have to either accept or reject based on your prejudices. I accept the risk of batteries in a dot sight but not in a (commercial / civilian) laser sight.
As for durability -- unfortunately it appears that reliability, consistency, and durability are directly related to cost. You will look at spending $500.00 and upwards on a dot sight that holds zero, tracks, can be seen in bright light conditions (the cheaper ones have severe limits in terms of bright sun), is weather proof, has good battery life, is easy to adjust zero, and is durable.
Unless you are willing to accept some risk, spend a lot of money, and dedicate two or three days a week to dry firing and shooting, you are probably much better off with some of the after market low light combat types of iron sights.
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