08-13-2006, 15:44
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Asset
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Air Force Green Berets
I didn't see this on any other post and thought it quite interesting as I grew up and Air Force dependent and recently commanded an AF Auxillary squadron. The AF approved the green beret for their SERE instructors (non-deployable unit). They have their own tab too. Not to mention that they are now all airborne (jump boots and all). I'm not usually bothered by what big military does, remember that all the legs in the army are now wearing their own feel important headgear, but this one is a bit different. I found a website that is all about AF SERE and it has the JFK beret quote claiming it as their own. It's worth taking a look at for a laugh.
http://www.gosere.com/about-sere.htm
JB
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08-13-2006, 17:07
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Good for them. Whatever gets them through the week.
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08-13-2006, 17:09
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I'm with NDD. Whatever lights their bulbs. If they can sleep at night callin themselves GBs no skin off my 4th poc.
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08-13-2006, 17:16
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That's OK.
The only "combatants" in the Air Force are the officers and none of them are sporting Green Berets. 
TS
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08-13-2006, 17:19
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Theirs is pea soup colored...
No comparison-no mistakeing who is who.
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09-07-2006, 20:13
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A.F. Green Berets
Guys, I sent an E-mail to these guys to get some additional info. They, by the way, deserve anything the AF wants to give them. My problem with their website was the way they presented it. They give the young wanna-be "survivor" the impression that they are part of the "Ranger"/"Special Forces" family. I.E. Initial participants were Ranger. If that was a fact then they would have been recruited then prior to 1946 when the Army Air Corp. split off on its own. And the quote they give at the end of the site was the quote from Kennedy about the award to Special Forces of the Green Beret. But they left out the "Green" part. I pointed it out to them. A young SSG replied that he felt sorry that I was so bitter towards them. I explain that he missed the point. I personally think these guys deserve all that they get in recognition for what they do. I felt that they needed to be truthful to their recruitee's about their heritage. They have nothing to "not" be proud of. We are all Special Ops, different jobs to do but we work together at one time or the other. Brothers and all that! "Q".
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09-07-2006, 21:47
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Q,
They are not Special Ops. There is nothing operational about them.
I am not bitter towards them. I pity them for their lack of originality and that they feel the need to rest on someone elses laurels.
This is actually even sadder than some 15 year-old kid poser. These guys should know better. Very insecure.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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09-08-2006, 07:31
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What ever makes them feel better
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Q,
They are not Special Ops. There is nothing operational about them.
I am not bitter towards them. I pity them for their lack of originality and that they feel the need to rest on someone elses laurels.
This is actually even sadder than some 15 year-old kid poser. These guys should know better. Very insecure.
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Deja Vu.......................as in supplying the entire U.S.Army with black berets ? 
Do the conventional Army soldiers even feel any better with a black beret than before ? Is thier spirit somehow lifted to a higher standard ? and are there any meaurable quantified studies that have shown that U.S. Army men and women feel more proud with the dawning of the black beret, or have they worn it with a "I dont really deserve this" attitude ?
Personally, I'd feel like a cheap "KNOCK OFF" if I were wearing a green beret assigned to any other unit within the military arsenal.
In the end, it's thier headgear for garrison duty. If they feel better with it on, then have at it, but some standards should be kept to certain lineage within the special operations forces, if they are actually part of SOCOM.
I guess next, the Marines of MARSOC Det 1 will want thier "LONG TAB" on their left sleeve just as they whined about not having a Trident when they supposedly were going to become SEAL team 10 (Never happened) 
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09-08-2006, 09:09
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Maybe they should wear lime green berets . . .
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09-08-2006, 09:53
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They are support, not even a combat AFSC. They are good teachers, and thats about it.
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09-08-2006, 12:02
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And these guys have, not just a long tab, but a REAL long tab.
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09-08-2006, 13:10
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SERE School
After having finished AF Survival School, I spoke to the instructors about their school. It doesn't sound like an easy one that just anyone can sign up for and do. Some of them are former PJs or CCTs that wanted something different. Having to go into the mountains and try to motivate a bunch of crybaby pilots and whatnot is a struggle
But awarding them a beret? Sounds kinda flaky to me. Why? Like NDD said, it really does look insecure and lacks originality.
TS: AF Officers are the combatants? Nah, they just drive me to work!!
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09-08-2006, 13:26
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Kyo-
gotta love the overstarched BDUs - to the point the guy's in the picture actually shine. Those that can, do; those that can't, teach. (except, of course, QPs, who teach because that's part of the job, and who are dragged kicking and screaming off their Teams to SWC to create other QPs in their image)
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09-08-2006, 15:14
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Originally Posted by x_sf_med
Kyo-
gotta love the overstarched BDUs - to the point the guy's in the picture actually shine. Those that can, do; those that can't, teach. (except, of course, QPs, who teach because that's part of the job, and who are dragged kicking and screaming off their Teams to SWC to create other QPs in their image)
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Oh, yes, the overstarched BDUs. We are suppose to field a new BDU in 2007 that doesn't require ironing. There's a bet going around to how long that will last until some Command Chief Master Sergeant decides it makes the troops look like ragbags and has his command starch them.
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09-08-2006, 16:24
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Air Force Green Berets
This tab looks like a ranger scroll mixed with a handlebar mustache; and we all know you cant pretend to be a special operations outfit without handlebar mustaches.
Last edited by racing_snake; 09-08-2006 at 16:27.
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