07-10-2006, 08:06
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Burglar Enters Home With Knife, Leaves With Two Bullet Wounds
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07-10-2006, 08:31
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Well done Mr. Brown.
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07-10-2006, 08:37
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"whoops"!
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07-10-2006, 10:43
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"Whoops" indeed.
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07-10-2006, 11:25
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Good to see training never takes a break! Continue firing until the threat is neutralized-great job Mr. Brown, great job! I wonder how many hits and where?
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07-10-2006, 12:05
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"Whoops there it is....."
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07-10-2006, 12:10
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Gentlemen,
Not to stir the hornets nest.....For my own misunderstanding, but if Mr. Brown had killed or wounded the suspect when he fled, couldn't he of been charged with man slaughter or been held liable in civillian court? According to my understanding, I thought you were only allowed to use deadly force when your life is threatened - I could of sworn I've heard stories of criminals sueing their victims for wounding them while they fled, something about the victim not being justified in using deadly force because their attackers were fleeing and thus no longer in danger.
Thank you for clarification.
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07-10-2006, 12:23
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Assumint that the report is true, the first rounds would seem to be justified by the knife, distance, and the age disparity.
Follow-up rounds in pursuit would IMHO, depend on whether the attacker dropped the weapon and/or was still in the victim's home.
It really all depends on the DA. No indictment, not worries. I do not see many presecutors pushing too hard to try a 73 y/o vet who shot up a young thug brandishing a knife after breaking into his house.
I would prefer to get all of the rounds into him that I could while he was facing me and armed, presenting a threat, but hindsight is 20/20. If he had used a shotgun, we probably would not be having this question.
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR
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07-10-2006, 14:19
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Fonzy,
I can't answer the civil questions however from a law enforcement perspective if he is awakened by an armed intruder he has every right to defend himself. Even if the subject is fleeing from one room into another (regardless if his intent is to exit the residence which is impossible to know if your the homeowner) he is still armed and poses a threat to other members of the household, or the intruder could simply be repositioning for counterattack. In my book if he's in the house he's receiving multiple shot groups until I know he's gone. That varies state to state however. HTH
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07-10-2006, 15:14
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AL or RL please chime in.
Laws vary by state. Some states have a duty to retreat(CA)...others see your home as enter at your own risk.
He got what he deserved IMHO.
JM
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07-10-2006, 19:19
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Well, this is timely. Thanks, Dan, for posting it.
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07-10-2006, 20:30
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Gentlemen,
Appreciate the responces. Just curious. 
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07-10-2006, 21:21
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As I read it, he did not chase him, he just fired a shot or two through the doorway after the guy had run off. If the thief had been a step or two slower, he'd have caught another round or two.
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07-10-2006, 21:42
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Ha ha Ha!!!
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07-10-2006, 22:40
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Just goes to show you, never bring a knife to a gunfight.
I believe a "You're right and I'm sorry..." would've been in order there.
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