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Old 06-13-2006, 11:00   #1
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How to Order a Philly Cheesesteak . . .

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Posted on Tue, Jun. 13, 2006

Geno's hit with bias complaints
The Commission on Human Relations said it would insist on removal of a "Speak English" sign at the cheesesteak shop.

By Mitch Lipka
Inquirer Staff Writer

One of South Philadelphia's biggest names in cheesesteaks is in a bit of a legal pickle for a lunch-line political statement against immigrants who don't speak English.

The city's Commission on Human Relations yesterday filed a discrimination complaint against Geno's Steaks over signs that read: "This is AMERICA ... WHEN ORDERING SPEAK ENGLISH."

Owner Joey Vento has become a mini-celebrity over the issue and has steadfastly refused to pull down the signs despite the growing legal brouhaha. His son, Geno, said his father would not comment on the matter to The Inquirer.

Reached at his home yesterday evening, the Rev. James S. Allen Sr., commission chairman, said it was incumbent on the commission to get the sign removed.

"We think it is discriminatory, and we are concerned about the image of Philadelphia," he said.

According to the complaint, which was served on Geno's yesterday afternoon, the restaurant is in violation of two sections of the city's antidiscrimination laws: denying service to someone because of his or her national origin, and having printed material making certain groups of people feel their patronage is unwelcome.

In two weeks in the media spotlight, Vento - who has done a whirlwind of local and national talk shows - has defended the sign and said he had no intention of removing it.

He has said it is an immigrant's duty to learn the language and has acknowledged that his strong feelings were directed at Mexican immigrants, whose ranks are growing in South Philadelphia.

Vento, 66, said that the sign had been up for six months without complaint until recently and that it simply spoke to the notion that people who choose to live in this country should endeavor to speak English. He has made a point of saying he had never denied anyone service regardless of language.

But Allen said that didn't matter.

"The issue is not whether anyone has been denied service, but that such a sign discourages people from coming asking for service," he said.

Vento's son said yesterday his father would not comment on the issue to members of the print media on the advice of legal counsel.

Allen said the complaint begins a legal process that could subject Geno's to sanctions if the sign is not removed. It was not immediately clear how severe a penalty Geno's could be subject to if the complaint is found to be valid and an order to remove the sign is ignored. Rachel Lawton, acting executive director of the commission, did not return repeated calls seeking clarification and comment.

An investigation will begin, Allen said, and Vento will be afforded an opportunity to respond to the complaint. Then the two sides are supposed to get together to resolve their differences.

If the issue is not resolved, Allen said, a public hearing will be scheduled. The process, he said, could continue beyond that and has no certain time parameters.

"It depends on what his response is," Allen said.

The American Civil Liberties Union said that Vento had a right to express his opinions, regardless of how offensive they might be, but that his particular message might cross the line because of specific laws intended to make so-called public accommodations available to everyone.

Public opinion on both the Geno's episode and the larger issue of immigrants speaking the language of the land has been split. The Pew Hispanic Center last week drew attention to a poll that showed a large majority of immigrant Hispanics want to learn English.

City Councilman Jim Kenney said it was time for Vento to back down. He asked the cheesesteak wiz to take down the sign before the matter escalated.

"I asked for consideration, and the consideration was rebuffed," Kenney said yesterday. "I just think it's mean-spirited and divisive, and it's not good for the city's image."
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Old 06-13-2006, 11:12   #2
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EDIT: I mean to say, if they can't speak English, they can't order. Tough titties. Find a workaround.
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Old 06-13-2006, 13:58   #3
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The American Civil Liberties Union said that Vento had a right to express his opinions, regardless of how offensive they might be, but that his particular message might cross the line because of specific laws intended to make so-called public accommodations available to everyone.


City Councilman Jim Kenney said it was time for Vento to back down. He asked the cheesesteak wiz to take down the sign before the matter escalated.

"I asked for consideration, and the consideration was rebuffed," Kenney said yesterday. "I just think it's mean-spirited and divisive, and it's not good for the city's image."

Gee, the ACLU can't help an American businessman who simply requests that his customers have the decency to order in english since, well, they ARE in his country! Any "civil liberties" being violated by the city council (aka Kenney's quote) or is this not a big enough fight?

The city sucks and this is all about trying to look nice for the Olympic Committee yahoos. I wonder if there are any complaints about Pat's (right across the street) who have a sign that states "know your order BEFORE you get to the window!". I have seen them simply not take somone's order when they look at the menu after being asked what they wanted to eat (much to the prospective customer's chagrin)! Mr. Kenney, you and the ACLU are chock full of BS!
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Old 06-13-2006, 14:54   #4
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I don't mind a multilingual culture - but one has to assimilate the culture and language of the current AO, and at least attempt to speak the lingua franca.

How does this guy distinguish between foreign tourists, and immigrants?

Ever been ignored in a foreign land because you start off trying to speak in English? If we hadn't gotten a 'quick berlitz' prior to D, I always went for French then German, then English - it worked.

Just thought I'd play advocus diablii for this situation. Patriotism is one thing, jingoism another.
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Old 06-13-2006, 15:14   #5
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Cheesesteak

At Geno's and Pats steaks (across the street from Geno's) you had better have your stuff together regardless of your ordering language. They are busy enough (sometimes frantic) to turn people away who walk up to the window and not know what they want. So you can see what a problem a non-english speaking person would pose. To any of you Seinfeld fans out there....picture the Soup Nazi (with a sense of humor) but with cheesesteaks and you are in the ball park. In a recent interview Joey Vento stated no customer has ever been turned away due to the customers inability to speak english. It is simply a fast paced business with no time for BS at the walk up window....oh yeah and this is America.

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Old 06-13-2006, 20:30   #6
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How does this guy distinguish between foreign tourists, and immigrants?

Thats easy, the foreign tourist have passports, while the illegal immigrants who can't speak english have all managed to procure Pa. drivers licenses and hospital cards.
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Old 06-13-2006, 21:38   #7
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Too true, forgive my brain fart, should have thought of that one.
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Old 06-14-2006, 21:37   #8
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If we required all businesses to accomodate all languages (with interpreters), they'd go broke.

If there's a big enough community to support interpreters, he'l get them (if he wants).

It's the beauty of a free market economy. If people don't like it, they can protest with their $$$ by not shopping there. No need to regulate it IMHO.
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Old 06-14-2006, 23:57   #9
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I fear they'll be going after the "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People" on the same basis if this is not quashed in quick order.

Or perhaps next they'll persecute "LARAZA" based on their founding philosophy of "Everything for the Race, for those outside of the Race nothing".

Or......maybe not.
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Old 06-16-2006, 04:56   #10
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It's a privately owned business. He should be able to put up what he wants within his establishment. If people don't like it... don't eat there.
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