Bye Bye Army Green

**Eagle5US** · 06-05-2006, 17:18

Looks like we're going to strictly wearing BLUES. I like 'em- There's going to be a bunch of questions now I am certain...

-Class B's?
-Blousing Jump Boots?
-Which funny hat to wear?
Another money saving measure by having snuffy" buy another new uniform. 2011 isn't that far off...but far off enough that I SHOULD retire that year.

I'm going to be one of those hold outs I am sure...If I dug really deep I may find a set of Khaki's with my PV2 or PFC chevrons sewn on them along with my PT "banana suit"

House of BLUES

Eagle

**Eagle5US** · 06-05-2006, 17:56

In the interest of the linky not working...

here's the article:

Army streamlines service uniforms to one blue Army Service Uniform

WASHINGTON (Army News Service, June 5, 2006) – Army service uniforms will be streamlined to one blue Army Service Uniform, the Army announced today.

“World-class Soldiers deserve a simplified, quality uniform. The blue Army Service Uniform is a traditional uniform that is consistent with the Army’s most honored traditions,” said Sgt. Maj. Of the Army Kenneth O. Preston.

“We have all of these variations of uniforms – green, blue and white,” said Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker. “It makes sense for us to go to one traditional uniform that is really sharp and high quality and which Soldiers will be very proud to wear. And that’s what we’ve done by adopting this blue Army Service Uniform that reflects simplicity, quality, utility and tradition.”

Many Soldiers already own an Army blue uniform (now to be called the Army Service Uniform) and may continue to wear it. Improvements will be made to the fabric and fit. Reduction of the number of uniforms will reduce the burden on Soldiers for purchases and alteration cost.

Introduction in the Army Military Clothing Sales Stores should begin in fourth quarter of fiscal year 2007. Introduction in the Clothing Bag should begin first quarter 2009. The Mandatory Possession Date is expected to be fourth quarter fiscal year 2011.

A wear-out date for the Army Green Class A and White dress uniforms will be determined at a later date.

The consolidation of Army service uniforms is part of a streamlining process. In 2004, the Army reduced the number of battle dress uniforms from three to one when it adopted the Army Combat Uniform in place of the Woodland Green Battle Dress Uniform (winter and summer versions) and the Desert Combat Uniform. That uniform consolidation has been a resounding success in terms of soldier acceptance and reducing the variety of combat uniforms with which they must deal.

Army Blue as a uniform color traces its origins back to the National Blue and was first worn by Soldiers in the Continental Army of 1779.

Besides tradition, the Army Service Uniform reflects utility, simplicity and quality.

• In utility, the blue Army Service Uniform provides a basic set of components that allow Soldiers to dress from the lowest end to the highest end of service uniforms with little variation required.

• In simplicity, the blue Army Service Uniform eliminates the need for numerous sets of green Class A uniforms, service blue uniforms and, for some, Army white mess uniforms (and tunics, for women). Streamlining various service uniforms into one Army Service Uniform reduces the burden on Soldiers in the same manner that the Army Combat Uniform (ACU) did for the field utility uniform.

• In quality, the blue Army Service Uniform is made of a durable material that is suitable for daily use without special care.

Information about the blue Army Service Uniform and its composition is available at www.army.mil/symbols/uniforms.

Eagle

**Bill Harsey** · 06-05-2006, 18:28

What color are United Nations troops uniforms?

sounds like prison uniform design.

**Airbornelawyer** · 06-05-2006, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Eagle5US

-Which funny hat to wear?

In a nod to tradition, my vote is for the Model 1881:

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 06-05-2006, 19:14

One of these days the Army is going to get it right and stop worrying about what they look like when they are not fighting. Perhaps these uniforms might help kill the enemy as they die laughing over this lunacy. The Army has gone through more turmoil over headgear, dress uniforms, badges, pomp and circumstance and non of it has yet contributed much to finding, fixing and finishing off an adversary. Just my .02 cents.

TFM · 06-06-2006, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

One of these days the Army is going to get it right and stop worrying about what they look like when they are not fighting.

I can't wait!

**Pete** · 06-06-2006, 14:21

Blue has been the color of the American Army since the revolution. I am no expert on uniforms but will give a general rundown.

By the expansionest period/Mexican War the Army uniform had become the Dark Blue Jacket over Light Blue pants.

By the Civil War it was a Dark Blue Frock Coat over Dark blue pants. With the expansion of the Army the Infantry uniform became the Dark Blue sack coat over the sky blue pants. This with modifications in cut and material is the modern "Dress Blues".

By the Spanish American War the Army was moving into dirt colored field uniforms.

Somehow in the clasic case of military "smarts" by WW II the Army had gone to work uniforms, battle uniforms, semi dress uniforms (pink & greens for the officers/greens for the enlisted soldiers), and formal dress/mess uniforms.

By the 60s the greens (gone was the Ike jacket) had evolved into the hated bus driver suit.

Maybe we are getting back to our roots.

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 06-06-2006, 19:14

Ahhh, maybe that is why Kermit feels it isn't easy being green.

uboat509 · 06-06-2006, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

One of these days the Army is going to get it right and stop worrying about what they look like when they are not fighting. Perhaps these uniforms might help kill the enemy as they die laughing over this lunacy. The Army has gone through more turmoil over headgear, dress uniforms, badges, pomp and circumstance and non of it has yet contributed much to finding, fixing and finishing off an adversary. Just my .02 cents.

I'd like to believe this but I am not so sure. One of the reasons I came into SF in the first place was to escape the all the leaders that I had had that made judgemtents about a soldier based primarily or even solely on the soldier's appearance. I understand using appearance as an indicator but I have known too many leaders for whom it was THE indicator of whether a soldier was squared away or not. When I used to go to other military websites there would long discussions about what the dress uniform should look like and when I would make comments like the Col. made I would get these long diatribes about how the dress uniform is just as important as the combat uniform. It never has and never will make sense to me.

SFC W

Spartan12 · 06-06-2006, 23:13

The blue Army Service Uniform....it look pretty professional, but so did the greens. I don't really care about garrison uniform, whether its green or blue, I'll always be proud to serve my country. My comment here is, I don't know if its just me but when we train, I can spot the soldiers wearing ACU more then soldiers in BDU. I hope the Army can research more on camofluage before we lose soldier because the enemy can spot them wearing grey.

**Pete** · 06-07-2006, 04:21

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Originally Posted by Spartan12

.... My comment here is, I don't know if its just me but when we train, I can spot the soldiers wearing ACU more then soldiers in BDU.... I hope the Army can research more on camofluage before we lose soldier because the enemy can spot them wearing grey.....

There is no "one size fits all" cammy. Color/Patern variations occur within a country, much less the world. While much of the Middle East appears to be Mud Yellow on TV it's not.

Some of the mountain areas would require almost a solid real dark brown, moving through lighter molted shades down to a solid real light tan in some areas of the flats.

Throw in woodlands around the world and you get the same thing in the green shades.

"One size fits all" don't!

We played with uniforms in the late 70s and early 80s before we started getting the first pattern desert uniform. We ended up with Khakis for day time and real faded jungle cammies for night. We never got any static from HQ over field uniforms. We knew in 83 that the Choc-Chip was too light for most areas.

The more you turn the wheel the more you return to the same spot.

Pete

**Kyobanim** · 06-07-2006, 05:56

They need to go back to kakkis. That was the best garrison uniform they ever had.

**Pete** · 06-07-2006, 06:07

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim

They need to go back to kakkis. That was the best garrison uniform they ever had.

Starched Khakis with Buck Sergeant stripes, highly polished jump boots and a Green Beret. Man, I liked that uniform.

Pete

**Eagle5US** · 06-07-2006, 06:33

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Originally Posted by Spartan12

The blue Army Service Uniform....it look pretty professional, but so did the greens. I don't really care about garrison uniform, whether its green or blue, I'll always be proud to serve my country. My comment here is, I don't know if its just me but when we train, I can spot the soldiers wearing ACU more then soldiers in BDU. I hope the Army can research more on camofluage before we lose soldier because the enemy can spot them wearing grey.

Focus-this isn't a discussion on the ACU

Eagle

Simple Simon · 06-07-2006, 06:33

IMHO, the upper echelons of the Army need to put more money and thought into equiptment and training and stop wasting time changing our uniforms. There are still units using M16A4 with iron sights, which works, but and acog or eotech might make a soldiers job easier. All these changes just end up making people spend their own money on uniforms, alterations, etc, etc. A waste of time and money.