05-24-2006, 06:30
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Dog Handler SF MOS
A few years ago I heard that SOC was adding a Dog Handler MOS to Special Forces. My source was fairly reliable, so I may have misunderstood the statement.
He mentioned practicing HALO jumps with his dog strapped to him and the dog releasing his bowels and biting him when he jumped. That sounded like a blast to me so I have been keeping an eye out for mention of it since.
Clearly there is no dog handler MOS (18K?  ), but would you guys consider such an addition to the team helpful?
It seems like it would be useful on direct action missions (for room clearing), but I'd imagine it would be unused or even harmful in other missions.
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05-24-2006, 06:43
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05-24-2006, 07:25
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05-24-2006, 07:28
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05-24-2006, 07:51
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He mentioned practicing HALO jumps with his dog strapped to him and the dog releasing his bowels and biting him when he jumped.
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This thread is useless without pics! 
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05-24-2006, 08:00
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My uncle told me this same story, but it started when he was in Vietnam!
I'm not to sure a dog would do well on O2 for a HALO jump. Also having an "18Kilo" on a team would be about as useful a helicopter pilot.
Just my 2¢
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05-24-2006, 08:20
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05-24-2006, 08:29
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No.
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Yes.
I was hoping to get some feedback on a topic I thought was interesting... I'll go back to answering questions in the knuckledragger forum where I belong.
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I'm not to sure a dog would do well on O2 for a HALO jump. Also having an "18Kilo" on a team would be about as useful a helicopter pilot.
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He said the dog didn't have any O2 (I recall inquiring about a doggie mask).
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EDIT: beaten to it.
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05-24-2006, 08:45
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Why would having a dog handler on an ODA be an interesting topic? But fine, let's discuss it.
Looking at the SF missions, how many do you see in there in which a dog would be the critical path to success?
What does a dog bring to the table that would warrant taking the risk of having a soldier jump the dog into the TAOR?
The dog weighs what? 75-100 lbs.? How about the food? Who's going to carry the extra water?
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05-24-2006, 08:48
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Personally, I think this belongs in the "Romper Room".
There is a reason for the CMF 18 series. It was to eliminate all of the extra support personnel from carrying the SF qualification. There has been use for dogs in the past and just like then if the need arises a dog and handler will be ATTACHED for the duration of the need. The same as for SIGINT, CCT etc.
Besides they don't have berets to fit pooches.
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05-24-2006, 09:01
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Besides they don't have berets to fit pooches. |
Not true. dog-beret.jpg
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05-24-2006, 09:04
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Keith,
To what missions are dogs considered to be an asset? I would think guarding a facility and perhaps post-incident response. Any others?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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05-24-2006, 09:08
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Besides they don't have berets to fit pooches. |
Here's three dogs wearing Berets.
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05-24-2006, 09:37
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What about dogs with fricken lasers on their heads?
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05-24-2006, 09:57
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Keith,
To what missions are dogs considered to be an asset? I would think guarding a facility and perhaps post-incident response. Any others?
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There are many types of dogs. We have used the Scout Dog in the past as have the NVA against us Specifically in Laos. Perhaps Ambush Master as well as I can attest to this. Scout dogs have been used to track and locate bad guys. In addition there are dogs trained to alert to munitions/explosives which cqan be used to "sniff" out caches as well as IUD's, OOOPS IED's.
We didn't need them in RVN since our indig could hear, see and smell as well as any dog I met.
There was a SCOUT dog school at Lenngries and a few got to attend as well as we also took a few on training exercises.
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What breed is the pooch on the right?
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