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Porter Goss has resigned
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...referrer=email
CIA Director Porter Goss Resigns
By JENNIFER LOVEN
The Associated Press
Friday, May 5, 2006; 1:58 PM
WASHINGTON -- CIA Director Porter Goss has resigned, President Bush said Friday.
Bush called Goss' tenure one of transition.
"He has led ably," Bush said from the Oval Office. "He has a five-year plan to increase the analysts and operatives."
Bush said that Goss, a former member of Congress, has "helped make this country a safer place."
"We've got to win the war on terror," Bush said.
Said Goss: "I would like to report to you that the agency (CIA) is back on a very even keel and sailing well."
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05-05-2006, 12:16
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Saw it.
Wonder if the recent leaks had anything to do with it? He did not strike me as a likely candidate to depart so soon.
Neocon splashback?
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05-05-2006, 12:17
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Be interesting to see why. The libs are saying it's over the Cunningham whoring scandal.
I hate to see him go before he is through gutting that rat's nest.
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05-05-2006, 13:57
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I hate to see him go before he is through gutting that rat's nest.
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Don't you think that some of the good ole' boys have called in some heavy chips with the legislators to make this happen. The agency is almost as bad as SF when it comes to eating their own.
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05-05-2006, 14:13
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I don't know Sir, could be. Other reasons I can think of:
1. Negroponte is his de facto boss and maybe they don't get along so well.
2. He is going to run for some office.
3. The leak thing got him.
4. He can't handle the pressure, he mentioned the workload to the press a while back.
5. He's sick.
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05-05-2006, 14:16
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
I don't know Sir, could be. Other reasons I can think of:
1. Negroponte is his de facto boss and maybe they don't get along so well.
2. He is going to run for some office.
3. The leak thing got him.
4. He can't handle the pressure, he mentioned the workload to the press a while back.
5. He's sick.
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Damn, you are kind. 
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05-05-2006, 15:24
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I'm a Medic Sir, it's my job to be kind. 
i'm going to guess-stimate here. I'm going to say that Goss and Negroponte had a falling out. My guess is that it is over the handling of the McCarthy leak case. Goss wanted her prosecuted. And there was, as you said, pressure from the bow-ties succumbed to.
Any takers?
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05-05-2006, 16:46
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
i'm going to guess-stimate here. I'm going to say that Goss and Negroponte had a falling out. My guess is that it is over the handling of the McCarthy leak case. Goss wanted her prosecuted. And there was, as you said, pressure from the bow-ties succumbed to.
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Looks like you may be correct, although the focus of this article is on Negroponte taking over CIA functions.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/...ion/index.html
Porter Goss resigns as CIA chief
'I honestly believe that we have improved dramatically,' he says
Friday, May 5, 2006; Posted: 6:07 p.m. EDT (22:07 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- CIA Director Porter Goss is resigning, President Bush announced Friday.
"Porter's tenure at the CIA was one of transition, where he's helped this agency become integrated into the intelligence community, and that was a tough job," Bush said in a photo session with Goss at the Oval Office.
"He's got a five-year plan to increase the number of analysts and operatives, which is going to help make this country a safer place and help us win the war on terror," the president said.
Goss told Bush: "I believe the agency is on a very even keel, sailing well, I honestly believe that we have improved dramatically."
No reason was given for Goss' resignation, but the White House has been in the midst of an administration shakeup since Josh Bolten took over as chief of staff.
Goss' deputy, who may take over in the interim, is Vice Adm. Albert M. Calland.
Policy fights
There have been weeks-long policy disputes between Goss and John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, over the future of the CIA, sources who were close to the discussions told CNN.
According to sources, Negroponte's decision to transfer certain functions from the CIA to his office were fiercely resisted by Goss, who believe the moves would diminish the agency's power and ability to function. (TIME.com: The Incredible Shrinking CIA)
After the White House sided with Negroponte and his deputy, Gen. Michael Hayden, it was a mutual decision that Goss would resign, the sources said.
"Porter Goss is standing up for the CIA," one intelligence source told CNN. "He believes the Central Intelligence Agency should be just that: central."
No permanent replacement for Goss was announced.
Goss became CIA chief in September 2004. He previously had served 16 years as a Republican congressman from Florida. During his congressional tenure, Goss served as chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence.
From 1962 to 1972, Goss was a CIA clandestine service officer.
Rocky tenure
A senior staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee told CNN that lawmakers and congressional staffers were caught off guard by the "bizarrely sudden" resignation.
In fact, the committee had a closed-door hearing with the DNI's office yesterday, and "no one got any hint this was coming," the staff said.
Initial reaction by lawmakers to the news emphasized that the CIA needs to continue to change, regardless of who takes the reins. (Ex-CIA deputy director on Goss's rocky tenure)
"Director Goss took the helm of the intelligence community at a very difficult time in the wake of the intelligence failures associated with 9/11 and Iraq WMD," Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas who is chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a written statement. "Porter made some significant improvements at the CIA, but I think even he would say they still have some way to go."
Sen. John Rockefeller of West Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, said in a written statement: "Regrettably, Porter Goss's tenure as director of the CIA was a tumultuous one. His chief mission was to reform the operations of the CIA and to lead the agency with foresight and vision, yet his tenure was marked by an exodus of talented and respected intelligence officers and a demoralized staff."
Former CIA Director Stansfield Turner told CNN that Goss may have resigned because he was passed over for the position of director of national intelligence, which went to Negroponte.
Former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr agreed with Turner's speculation and added, "I think there's going to be more coming out; we don't know the whole story."
"This is a devastating blow, the importance of which really cannot be overestimated," Barr told CNN. "It indicates again a continuing downward slide in the intelligence capabilities of our government, it indicates again the disorganization on the part of our intelligence agencies at a time when we can ill afford to see that happen."
The agency was recently rocked when Mary McCarthy was fired, reportedly over alleged leaks about secret prisons to The Washington Post. McCarthy's lawyer denies that she was the source for the Pulitzer Prize-winning reporting.
McCarthy's firing was seen as part of a crackdown by Goss on the leaking of classified information.
There has also been media reports of dissatisfaction with Goss' leadership among the rank-and-file within the agency and the exodus of several high-level staff members.
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Goss' deputy, who may take over in the interim, is Vice Adm. Albert M. Calland.
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Anyone else know who Calland is, without looking him up?
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05-05-2006, 17:22
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1. Negroponte is his de facto boss and maybe they don't get along so well.
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I agree with this after hearing the circumstances of the announcement and how it was presented in the press room. I think his boss didn't like him and wanted him gone.
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No reason was given for Goss' resignation, but sources told CNN there were lengthy disputes between Goss and John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, over the future of the CIA. They say Negroponte's decision to transfer certain functions from the CIA to his office were fiercely resisted by Goss.
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05-05-2006, 18:56
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Anyone else know who Calland is, without looking him up?
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I know of a SEAL officer by the same last name. I want to say that he headed up SOCOM at one point but I don't want to cheat and look it up.
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05-06-2006, 15:43
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DebkaFILE recently posted this analysis of the situation. Some highlights:
On the CIA's failures with Goss at the helm:
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DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources note the CIA is on its uppers in three vital spheres:
1. ... The continuous upsurge of violence in Iraq means the CIA has failed by and large to penetrate the most dangerous insurgent groups.
2. While the Taliban-al Qaeda rebellion rages in Afghanistan, Abu Musab al Zarqawi’s Iraq wing - far from being crushed - has in the last six months opened up new terror fronts in Sinai, Egypt, Palestinian territories and Algeria.
3. On Iran, the CIA comes up short on two interconnected issues: derailing Iran’s nuclear program with the help of local surrogates ... [and] American operatives should have been able to head off the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and intelligence agents who have permeated every corner of Iraqi politics
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On Goss's failure to reform the CIA:
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[Goss's] attempts to reform and shake up key personnel were quickly challenged by the upper and professional echelons, which meted out the treatment traditionally reserved for “outsiders.”
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On Goss's relationship with Negroponte:
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From the 2005 appointment of John Negroponte as Director of National Intelligence ... the new CIA director’s days were numbered. Traditionally the agency chief is first among his peers in the other American undercover services. Although the two had been friends, Negroponte’s appointment upset that internal balance and further weakened Goss in his struggle with the agency veterans. When the inevitable clash occurred, the president favored the czar.
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[Negroponte] may try inserting as a cushion his principal deputy, Air Force General Michael Hayden 61, in the top CIA slot, hoping that as an accredited member of the rarefied spook community he gets better treatment than Goss. Hayden was director of the National Security Agency in 2001 and in charge of the controversial wiretapping program of conversations with suspected overseas terrorists without a warrant.
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DebkaFile appears to have good intelligence sources from the stories it's run in the 4+ months I've been reading it. I'd be highly interested to read what you all have to say about this, as I don't know what to think about whether anything can actually be done to "fix" the CIA.
My own thoughts about intelligence in Iraq (in terms of dealing with the insurgency) have not changed since I left the IDF almost a year ago -- why doesn't the CIA try to learn something from Israel's Shabbakkim (usually called Shin Beit in the media)? When we went into a town, city, or "refugee camp" for anything from a simple arrest to a major operation, we had intelligence on where the hostiles were, how many there were, and even what sorts of weapons they had. This wasn't always perfectly accurate, but when it wasn't it was close. The Shabbakkim would often just command the operation instead of our own NCOs or officers. And things went well.
But that leads to what has appeared to be the problem with the CIA from the start -- "We'll do it our way, the way we've always done it, and nobody's going to come in and tell us what to do." Does anyone have a chance of uprooting the dead weight from the CIA? Can the CIA change, and can it become a more effective force?
Sorry for the long post, I hope that at least the link is interesting.
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05-06-2006, 18:04
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VADM Calland was the former CO, NAVSPECWARCOM.
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DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources note the CIA is on its uppers in three vital spheres:
1. ... The continuous upsurge of violence in Iraq means the CIA has failed by and large to penetrate the most dangerous insurgent groups.
2. While the Taliban-al Qaeda rebellion rages in Afghanistan, Abu Musab al Zarqawi’s Iraq wing - far from being crushed - has in the last six months opened up new terror fronts in Sinai, Egypt, Palestinian territories and Algeria.
3. On Iran, the CIA comes up short on two interconnected issues: derailing Iran’s nuclear program with the help of local surrogates ... [and] American operatives should have been able to head off the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and intelligence agents who have permeated every corner of Iraqi politics
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I don't like this analysis. Let's take the first block.
1. How exactly does infiltrating a terrorist group stop the violence? Eventually you will be able to destroy the group, but I don't see this at all. And look at the implied tasks that go with this. Much easier said than done.
2. Again, how is this on the Agency? There are billions of Muslims. AQ's grandparents were born in Egypt. How in the hell are they supposed to influence events in the Territories? Algeria? COME ON!
3. How?
He was the DCI - not UNDERDOG
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Washington Post had a different spin on it...seems they think it wasn't a resignation...it was a forced resignation...
Goss Forced Out as CIA Director; Gen. Hayden Is Likely Successor
Dafna Linzer and Walter Pincus, A01 (Post) 05/06/2006
Porter J. Goss was forced to step down yesterday as CIA director, ending a turbulent 18-month tenure marked by an exodus of some of the agency's top talent and growing White House dissatisfaction...
Bush Ends Goss's Stormy Tenure By Forcing Him Out as CIA Chief
Dafna Linzer and Walter Pincus, A01 (Post) 05/06/2006
Porter J. Goss was forced to step down yesterday as CIA director, ending a turbulent 18-month tenure marked by an exodus of some of the agency's top talent and growing White House dissatisfaction...
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