03-19-2004, 17:45
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Bill of rights Re-write
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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03-19-2004, 17:51
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a state religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This does not mean erase religion from every aspect of public life against the wishes of the majority. The word "God" is not prohibited. Children are allowed to pray in school, those not wishing to do so may stand quietly.; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, however, there may be consequences for running your suck and the press must make every reasonable attempt to verify the veracity of all stories ; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble with the appropriate permits and coordinations, if you attack the law, you are no longer considered peaceable and the law can bash you head in, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances and the government, in the form of its elected representatives, must respond or face immediate removal from office.
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03-19-2004, 17:54
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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to responsibly keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. In the interest of public safety, you must demonstrate: training by a competent trainer, the ability to responsibly store, manipulate and fire the weapon.
Missiles, bazookas, explosives, etc. are not considered arms for the purposes of this amendment.
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03-19-2004, 18:04
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Amendment III, IV
Good to go as is
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03-19-2004, 18:05
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to responsibly keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. In the interest of public safety, you must demonstrate: training by a competent trainer, the ability to responsibly store, manipulate and fire the weapon.
Missiles, bazookas, explosives, etc. are not considered arms for the purposes of this amendment.
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I am surprised to see that you are opposed to the Second Amendment. BLASPHEMY!
REAPER!
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03-19-2004, 18:09
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The rest or good to go as is with the caveat that they do not apply to non-US citizens or terrorists. If you are convicted of a felony, they may or may not apply depending on the circumstances.
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03-19-2004, 18:10
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There finished! And it took 25 minutes. 
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03-19-2004, 18:20
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
...If you are convicted of a felony, they may or may not apply depending on the circumstances.
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FWIW, many states have a provision to allow Pardoned felons to purchase/own firearms. I do not have a list of those states handy but could look it up if anyone is interested in knowing which ones. Some will even allow for the granting of CCP's.
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03-19-2004, 18:23
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If you're pardoned, are you still a felon?
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03-19-2004, 18:25
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There is still a conviction, so I would say yes.
I know of a young man who is pardoned and it still shows on his NCIC report.
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03-19-2004, 19:33
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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to responsibly keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. In the interest of public safety, you must demonstrate: training by a competent trainer, the ability to responsibly store, manipulate and fire the weapon.
Missiles, bazookas, explosives, etc. are not considered arms for the purposes of this amendment.
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Non-concur.
Crew served weapons are allowed.
They require the same proficiency as the small arms you delineated, and must be stored in multiple homes of the "crew", the ammo must be stored separately as well. Three members is the minimum crew. The weapon may only be placed in a ready to (dry) fire configuration for maintenance or crew drill, and may only be loaded with live ammunition on a permitted and properly safed range under the control of Federal or Militia officers.
Explosive possession is already permitted and regulated, and would require the same restrictions as stated above. Storage is limited to military approved ammunition storage magazines.
States receive a portion of their Federal revenue allocation based on the number of weapons proficient militia members and units.
Before you ask, there are no ranges cleared for a nuclear live fire, or private ownership of a weapon with a range greater than the range firing limits of respective ranges within the states.
The penalties for misuse or unsafe employment would be draconian, and there would likely be no second offenses. Big Boy's Toys, Big Boy Rules.
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03-19-2004, 19:35
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03-19-2004, 19:40
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I was reading that but I got a headache.
RL, does that mean I am at least partially right?
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03-20-2004, 08:49
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RL, can you explain why an amendment was required to arm the militia when Artical I section 8 of the constitution provides for arming of the militia?
You did a good job of finding the left coast version of the 2nd amendment. 
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03-20-2004, 13:19
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RL, can you explain why an amendment was required to arm the militia when Artical I section 8 of the constitution provides for arming of the militia?
You did a good job of finding the left coast version of the 2nd amendment.
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Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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Good rhetorical question!
The militia was already armed. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that it cannot be disarmed. The clauses above are express congressional powers.
BTW, Eugene Volokh is probably the leading conservative scholar in this area. He clerked for Alex Kozinski, who is one of the few conservatives on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. I would not call his views "left coast" views any more than I would call my views representative of Los Angeles lawyers. LOL
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