The back deck in the hot tub!!!! That kinda stuff ain't allowed in S. Arizona! You can sit in the galvanized stock tank with the immersion heater out under the ramada, though.
The alpacas refuse to drink hot water.
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KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.
A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390
KZLA LOS ANGELES (ARTCC)PALMDALE, CA.
A2832/10 NOTAMN A) KZLA B) 1011092000 C) 1011100100
E) THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED.
F) SURFACE G) FL390
I guess the Pentagon didn't get the memo. Or this was posted after the fact.
The KCBS pilot might not have seen that since they would not be operating in that area. But, I'm surprised that some airline pilot, or dispatcher, or ATC controller, or the FAA itself didn't come forward.
Clearly a sub launch. I'd have LOVED to have seen that!
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That Warning Area is Pt. Magu's missile range which is North of us but crosses to the SW. The videos from KCBS shows the missile tracking northish and the KCBS crew said it looked like it came from near Santa Catalina Island. That is outside the WA. The KCBS chopper would have had to be north of Magu to get that angle if it was from NAS Magu. If it was sub launched, was the sub in the wrong place? And, where was the helicopter?
Still a head scratcher.
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This afternoon, Los Angeles area radio station KFI interviewed cameraman Gil Leyvas who shot the missile video footage for the local CBS affiliate. Leyvas reported that this was a second sighting: that he and the same pilot had seen an identical missile launch at the same time of day and in the same vicinity last Thursday, November 4th. KFI news reported the Defense Department as saying definitively that there was no DoD involvement in this event. The report commented that a commercial launch would have been preceded by a press release or other pre-event publicity, none of which can be found.
While many routine coastal missile tests are highly visible from the mainland, I have not seen any report of this event being witnessed by any member of the public other than the KCBS News air crew. Without the aid of an aerial platform and commercial-grade telephoto lens, public awareness of this event would probably not exist. But while out of view from the general public, the event occurred in an environment that is configured to monitor exactly this type of activity, i.e. inside “the DoD’s largest and most extensively instrumented over-water range.”
Oh s#!t, it was probably just an optical illusion.
Nothing to see here.
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Isn't POTUS backing the integration of the SM-3, otherwise known as the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3, into the inventory? According to the infamous wikipedia, it is said to be "a ship-based missile system used by the US Navy to intercept aircraft, ships, ballistic and cruise missiles as a part of Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System." The SM-3 can change it's course mid-flight. Just a possibility.
I had the opportunity to have an indepth tour of the Las Vegas Int'l Airport's TRACON and Tower and I don't see how, if it was an aircraft, it was not explained as "Oh, it's flight XXX out of Bejing." The moment an aircraft enters a new airspace, it is identified. If they want to put it to rest, all the FAA has to do is say what airline it was. If it was a test from 'Dreamland' I would understand the hush hush, but this is different... I would be interested to see if ANYONE had tracking and if so, why the big denial...
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The more I see this the more I convinced that it is a contrail. The aircraft is EASTbound (toward the camera) and is magnified by atmospheric refraction.
While living in Tucson in the 70's, I saw a launch from Vandenberg, more that 500 miles away, because of AR.
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On his blog "Time to Think," Liem Bahneman on Wednesday pinpointed America West Flight 808 as the likely cause -- backing up an explanation offered by a senior military official to Fox News Channel that the contrail caught on video by a news helicopter “was more likely caused by an airplane than anything else."
Bahneman wonders if he is the first to call it: "I did a lot of extrapolation of what flights could be at the right position (off the coast) at the right altitude (for contrail formation) and came down to two possibilities: UPS Flight 902 (UPS902) or America West Flight 808 (AWE808)."
He concluded: "As I was researching tonight (24 hours later), I realized that today's (Tuesday's) AWE808 current position (at around 4:50 p.m.) was almost the same as it was the day of the incident. I quickly pulled up a Newport Beach webcam and found that (apparently) AWE808 was making an identical contrail, 24 hours later!"
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The more I see this the more I convinced that it is a contrail. The aircraft is EASTbound (toward the camera) and is magnified by atmospheric refraction.
While living in Tucson in the 70's, I saw a launch from Vandenberg, more that 500 miles away, because of AR.
Pat
A bit more to this story: My girlfriends' father was a (the) Chief Master Sergeant (I don't know the AF rank structure) of the Titan Wing at the time and we were together at his son's graduation ceremony in a football stadium. He almost had a heart attack when he saw it. He thought one of his sites North of Tucson had launched. He was a big guy and I don't think I've ever seen anybody that frightened. (Despite his Wing "position", he was, in fact, a golfer for the Air Farce. They entered him in Pro-Ams around the country.)
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They entered him in Pro-Ams around the country.)
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