Airline Passenger Attempts to Light 'Substance' In-Flight

[nmap]

Flying used to be great fun. It now seems more akin to some time in Hell.

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WASHINGTON — Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing

The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.

Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in U.S. airspace. The airline said that during the final hour of flight passengers must remain seated. They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps.

Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows.

The TSA declined to confirm the new restrictions.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement Saturday that passengers flying to the U.S. from overseas may notice extra security, but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."

A transportation security official speaking on condition of anonymity because the official wasn't authorized to speak publicly said passengers traveling internationally could see increased security screening at gates and when they check their bags, as well as additional measures on flights such as stowing carryons and personal items before the plane lands.

A Nigerian passenger on a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam allegedly attempted to start a fire as the plane prepared to land in Detroit on Friday, according to authorities. The incident has sparked a major international terrorism investigation.

Air Canada said it was limiting passengers to one carryon bag in response to a request from the U.S. and Canadian governments.

The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolute minimum" or to not carry any bag on board at all.

"Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," the airline said.

U.S.-bound flights on all airlines are experiencing significant delays, said Duncan Dee, Air Canada's executive vice president and chief operating officer.

A spokeswoman with Infraero, a Brazilian government agency that oversees airport infrastructure, said that airlines had been asked by federal authorities to add another layer of security for international flights originating in the country after the attempted attack in the U.S.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter, said that passengers would face an extra screening that would take place just before they boarded planes. She would give no more details, citing security concerns.

David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the domestic airline industry has been in close coordination with the security administration since Friday's incident and there will be increased scrutiny of passengers. He declined to comment on whether new regulations have been put in place.

[Sten]

Originally Posted by nmap

Flying used to be great fun.

When in the 60s?

[nmap]

Originally Posted by Sten

When in the 60s?

I was thinking of 1979, actually...granted, the 60's were better...but there was still a certain civility. Stewardesses (yes, I know, I should use the politically correct term of flight attendent) were pleasant. The airlines served meals in flight - and they weren't bad.

I enjoyed flying. But it has been nearly 9 years since I got on an airplane, and I suppose it will be quite awhile before I do so again.

[Sten]

Originally Posted by nmap

(yes, I know, I should use the politically correct term of flight attendent)

You need to be PC here?

I agree up to the 70s Flying still had some flair but since the "no frills" craze it has been little better then the bus.

Perhaps we need to serve complementary, yet mandatory bacon (sorry to my Jewish and SDA freinds) h'orderves on every flight and port of entry.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by ACE844

Sir, I have read a few press articles which state he was (is) a student at a British University.


Since he is a foreigner attending a UK university. I would hope that the '5-6 and home office' and would be aware of who this guy is as well as his ties and associations. Especially since he is from a 'former colony' and they have long had an interest in the AO. If I'm incorrect in my connecting the dots I hope some of the better informed here will correct and educate us as to what the real scoop is. My thinking was he would have had to go through the UK background check and hoops to get their visa as well as ours and as a result some flag, info. and or questions should have been asked about this guy.

SOURCE

Roger. I get that he's been studying in the UK. Once out of the country, flying from a 2nd country, through a 3rd country to a 4th country....why would the UK track him?

Originally Posted by nmap

Stewardesses (yes, I know, I should use the politically correct term of flight attendent) were pleasant. The airlines served meals in flight - and they weren't bad.

I still call them "waiter" and "waitresses". But my father advised me, never piss anybody off who's in a position to spit in your food.

"Steward" is the correct title, and if I had the job, I'd be proud to be called a Steward. It's a honorable position is life to serve others.

What do you call attendants of Railroads or Cruise liners?...

I thought so!

Originally Posted by nmap

Flying used to be great fun. It now seems more akin to some time in Hell.

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WASHINGTON — Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing

The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.

Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in U.S. airspace. The airline said that during the final hour of flight passengers must remain seated. They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps.

Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows.

The TSA declined to confirm the new restrictions.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement Saturday that passengers flying to the U.S. from overseas may notice extra security, but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."

A transportation security official speaking on condition of anonymity because the official wasn't authorized to speak publicly said passengers traveling internationally could see increased security screening at gates and when they check their bags, as well as additional measures on flights such as stowing carryons and personal items before the plane lands.

A Nigerian passenger on a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam allegedly attempted to start a fire as the plane prepared to land in Detroit on Friday, according to authorities. The incident has sparked a major international terrorism investigation.

Air Canada said it was limiting passengers to one carryon bag in response to a request from the U.S. and Canadian governments.

The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolute minimum" or to not carry any bag on board at all.

"Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," the airline said.

U.S.-bound flights on all airlines are experiencing significant delays, said Duncan Dee, Air Canada's executive vice president and chief operating officer.

A spokeswoman with Infraero, a Brazilian government agency that oversees airport infrastructure, said that airlines had been asked by federal authorities to add another layer of security for international flights originating in the country after the attempted attack in the U.S.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter, said that passengers would face an extra screening that would take place just before they boarded planes. She would give no more details, citing security concerns.

David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the domestic airline industry has been in close coordination with the security administration since Friday's incident and there will be increased scrutiny of passengers. He declined to comment on whether new regulations have been put in place.

Everyone should fly naked.

[ACE844]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

Roger. I get that he's been studying in the UK. Once out of the country, flying from a 2nd country, through a 3rd country to a 4th country....why would the UK track him?

"Warrior-Mentor,"

In retrospect I guess I was remiss in not expounding upon this more. I was thinking that they (The Brits) knew and or should have/did know(n);who this guy is. My opinion is that he had this ongoing history of increasing extremism; and the we (the US and Brits) should have been vigilant to which way he was blowing in the wind.

Press reports are coming out saying this guy had all sorts of caution flag and warning signs about him popping up. Furthermore when the Brits denied the guy a visa in May for making stuff up about attending a University that didn't exist. They should have thrown a flag with our liaison and or in our joint database. They should have done that while looking into him more. It seems the this jihadi kept coming up on the peripheries of numerous terror investigations here and apparently in the UK as well. I do agree with you in that it all seems a bit circumspect and that on it's face initially at least he may not have warranted 24/7 surveillance, taps, email interference, wireless monitoring, etc..

But when he started to do some of the things he was doing and more actively associate with the the 'bad guys'. These things should have combined to cause him to either be a 'no-go' for a visa and or have to jump through additional hoops. That's where I think both state, and DHS ICE, NCTC, FBI-JTTF failed and the Brits also failed to keep us in the loop with what they had on the guy. In that respect I think the Brits and the US should have been a bit more proactive with this guy. There were a number of minor breakdowns in communication on a number of different levels and organizations. These things combined to give this terrorist a shot at his version of martyrdom. I'm glad he failed and I'm glad the passengers intervened to take this guy down and stop the successful execution of his plan. It is my sincere hope that the CT and interrogation professionals be allowed to go at this guy and walk back the cat on all he has to offer. Hopefully then our warriors can take those threads and roll them up to wherever they lead and clean out the related rats nests and vermin found there in. I hope this explains my logic chain and thinking a little better. I've enjoyed learning from all of the posts on this board and try to absorb more each day even though my CNS ATp is a limited commodity.

ACE844

[nmap]

Originally Posted by wet dog

I still call them "waiter" and "waitresses".

Same here - although I try to learn their names and use those, as the opportunity presents itself.

Originally Posted by wet dog

But my father advised me, never piss anybody off who's in a position to spit in your food.

There is wisdom in his words! That's one reason I try to infiltrate the kitchen - at one of my favorite places, I even exchange recipes with some of the cooks.

Speaking of bacon, if one takes a high quality, apple smoked, thick-sliced bacon, dredges it in maple syrup, and then cooks it in the oven, one gets quite a nice little item for parties. Something the airlines ought to consider.

[mojaveman]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Everyone should fly naked.

Believe it or not there are a few European airlines that offer such flights.

[IrishYanksFan]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

I don't understand the fascination with aircraft. There are much softer targets out there with better payoffs for them. I am amazed none of them have been hit.

I agree with what others have said. I also think that the public fear that would result from large scale attacks on commercial aircraft would be more disruptive to our lives than say, a bombing at an NFL game. A sudden drop in attendance at sporting events doesn't have the same effect on our economy as disruption in commercial travel.

[Marina]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Everyone should fly naked.

Naked doesn't work either, but interesting idea.

Remember Yemeni terrorist that pioneered the butt bomb a few months ago by implanting a device in his anal cavity. The guy detonated by cell phone after clearing security in the palace and while "recanting" to the head prince of Saudi CT.

Cartels have used mules with junk in all orifices and some internal organs.

No security system will stop determined individuals. I think over time we will learn to accept a certain small number of horrific but manageable events as a reasonable price for the freedoms we enjoy.

[Marina]

Originally Posted by IrishYanksFan

I also think that the public fear that would result from large scale attacks on commercial aircraft would be more disruptive to our lives than say, a bombing at an NFL game.

I think they will disrupt whatever they have the resources to disrupt. Right now, it looks like all they have are lonely young men with explosives in their underwear or up their a**.

And MAJ Nidal Hasan.

All self-radicalized lonely young men, incited by hate.

The Muslim community has a cancer. Spending billions on TSA and redundant layers of security is not going to cure the problem.

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Everyone should fly naked.

...You've never had to share a flight with Michael Moore....

How about everyone has to sleep? Similar to the denist chair or Charlton Heston in 'Planet of the Apes'. It would curtainly keep the "fighting over the arm rest" to a minimum.