Are we at war with Islam?

Not to dismiss the point of the article, Frostfire, but we need to keep in mind that we have not seen these caricatures. This is important because Denmark has become more xenophobic. I would not rule out that that the caricatures were distasteful. On the other hand, the reaction is still completely unproportional to everything else going on!

There has been grumblings between Swedish Folkpartiet and Danske Folkepartiet, non-related political parties, based on what some Swedes consider a growing xenophobia, not only in regards to Islam. Now, however, as the position grows in popularity, the Swedish Folkpartiet is trying to ride the wave too.

In the Swedish case it's not entirely bad, since it detracts members from more radical and true hate-parties, which would have been the only choice for those concerned with immigration here.

Martin

[XDoc]

an often forgoten PAM would be DA PAM 550-104 Human Factors and Considerations In Undergrounds and Insurgencies. It's a dry read but with a trained eye stuff will jump out at you. as the crux of the question is WHY are they fighting. Obviously they are motivated to fight but WHY. What the hell is motivating them? Theological motivation is the best motivator in the world and all throuough history. The next question is how do we remove the motivating stimulus? Look at the Saudies who is it that builds grand Mosques all throught the world yet when the Sunami hit they said it was because the place that it his was a sinful country and that she deserved what they got, well that explanes why the Saudies didn't give but a fraction of what the US did. The Saudies hold the Islamic world at their knees litteraly as the fith piller of the faith is to make the hadj pillgramage to Mecca. The Saudies are the BASE of the religion, get that, the BASE (al Qiedia= the base).

While in Bosnia did anyone think that it was odd that all of the Serbs, the Bosniacs, and the Croats were able to call it a Holy war yet the media could not. GOD forbid that the media call it what it was, no, they had to call it an ethnic war and ethnic clensing. What a load of crap. Everyone there knew what they were fighting for but the media knew that if they had called it what it was and said it was a Holy war that the US military would never have been commited to go in. The US would never get involved in a "Holy War". Thus there would be no story for the media to make their money.

Just because one party in the fight refuses to call it what it is dosen't mean that that is not what it is. The Islamist have been calling it a Holy war for years. Why is it so hard for us to call it that. Just because we are a polytheistic nation made up many beleafs and at times overly "tolerant" of others beliefs, does that mean that we can' t call it what the dictionary would.

How long did it take this administration to call the current situation in Iraq an "insurgency"

Call it what our opponits do and let's get on with it.
And now for the next question; How does a polytheistic nation fight a holy war?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by XDOC

an often forgoten PAM would be DA PAM 550-104 Human Factors and Considerations In Undergrounds and Insurgencies.

XDOC,

Learn to use the "search" button.... this "forgotten" DA PAM 550-104 has been discussed ad nauseum. Do you really think a website dedicated to Special Forces would forget? You forget with whom you're dealing with. Oh and BTW the actual title is "Human Factors Considerations of Undergrounds in Insurgencies"

Are you yourself SF or MI?

Team Sergeant
Master Sergeant
SF (ret)
Owner of DA PAM 550-104
Dated Sept 1966

[Eagle5US]

Originally Posted by XDOC

an often forgoten PAM would be DA PAM 550-104 Human Factors and Considerations In Undergrounds and Insurgencies. It's a dry read but with a trained eye stuff will jump out at you.

An often forgotten courtesy when visiting a new website would be to stop, look around, READ THE STICKYS, follow their guidelines-i.e. use of the search button; introducing yourself in the appropriate thread and so on.
These stickys can be a dry read, but stuff will jump out at you since it is specifically written for those without a trained eye.

Eagle

BTW: When you answer TS's questions, be certain to validate the term "DOC" in your screen name.

Eagle

[Doc]

Originally Posted by XDOC

How long did it take this administration to call the current situation in Iraq an "insurgency"

Call it what our opponits do and let's get on with it.
And now for the next question; How does a polytheistic nation fight a holy war?

You need to post an introduction in the Base Camp forum under introductions too while you're at it. We like to know who we are dealing with to some degree.

Have a good one.

Doc

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Today was one of those rare days when I venture forth from the forest and go into what passes as civilization up here. On my way down Interstate 89, carefully avoiding the other five cars that I saw on my 35 mile trip, I was musing about this 72 virgin crap and trying to do the math. I mean just how many virgins do you actually need in paradise to take care of all these suicide bombers? Then it hit me as I passed the road sign indicating a "Bear Crossing". Trying to clear the image of a genuflecting bear making the sign of the cross with a jagged old furry paw, I realized you only need to have 72 virgins! Why you might ask? It is simple, these suicide bombers have all blown thier nuts off. And that was my revelation for the day as I wound my way thru the snow covered Great Northern Forest.

Jack Moroney-solver of great Islamic riddles & myths.

[lrd]

Interesting article by Mark Steyn:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760

Interview with Hugh Hewitt, discussing the article:

http://www.radioblogger.com/#001277

[Pete]

Originally Posted by lrd

Interesting article by Mark Steyn:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760

Interview with Hugh Hewitt, discussing the article:

http://www.radioblogger.com/#001277

And some still wonder if we are at war with Islam.

200 years from now - a world under Islam - sounds scary to me.

[jatx]

Excellent article, thanks for posting.

[Ronin556]

I was musing about this 72 virgin crap and trying to do the math. I mean just how many virgins do you actually need in paradise to take care of all these suicide bombers?

What no one told them is those virgins are the fat chicks that no one wanted to make their 5th wife!


hehe sorry. Couldn't resist.

Back to lurking.

[NousDefionsDoc]

So, are we at war with Islam or what?

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

So, are we at war with Islam or what?

Actually Islam is at war with itself with the fundamentalists attempting to co-opt their religion. The fundamentalists are at war with the west as a way of showing their more timid brethern that Islam is all powerful because it currently has shown a strategic advantage over the west by attacking when and where it wants while demonstrating the impotence of cold war manuever doctrine developed for the plains of Europe as incapable of stemming their efforts. The west, not wanting to further inflame the muslim world, has declared a war on terror and refuses to identify the terrorist as being linked to Islamic Fundamentalists by name. The fundamentalists understand western culture better than the west understanding Islamic/fundamentalist culture and is playing on the west's lack of will for any insurgency and will wait us out while we die the death of a thousand cuts. US strategy is not tied to military necessity but political expediency and while unconventional warfare can play a major role in bringing about change within the target states that support terrorist activities and Islamic Fundamentalism there is no comprehensive campaign developed to do so that can withstand the political oversight and idiots who reside on captial hill who put their own careers ahead of the needs of the country. Just a simplified overview from a forest dweller where all avenues of approach are covered by surveillance and direct fire.

[Gypsy]

Colonel Sir, I wish there were more Men like you and our other QPs in our government today.

[Ambush Master]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Actually Islam is at war with itself with the fundamentalists attempting to co-opt their religion.........................

To Shite and Touchet Sir!! Very well put!!

Later
Martin

[Roguish Lawyer]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060219/D8FS99201.html

Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia

Feb 19, 10:53 AM (ET)

By ALI KOTARUMALOS

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.

Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark, Israel and the United States.

Protests over the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and have been republished in other European publications and elsewhere, have swept across the Muslim world, growing into mass outlets for rage against the West in general, and Israel and the United States in particular.

Christians also have become targets. Pakistani Muslims protesting in the southern city of Sukkur ransacked and burned a church Sunday after hearing accusations that a Christian man had burned pages of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

That incident came a day after Muslims protesting in the Nigerian city of Maiduguri attacked Christians and burned 15 churches in a three-hour rampage that killed at least 15 people. Some 30 other people have died during protests over the cartoons that erupted about three weeks ago.

In Jakarta, about 400 people marched to the heavily fortified U.S. mission in the center of the city, behind a banner reading "We are ready to attack the enemies of the Prophet."

Protesters throwing stones and brandishing wooden staves tried to break through the gates. They set fire to U.S. flags and a poster of President Bush and smashed the windows of a guard outpost before dispersing after a few minutes.

The U.S. Embassy called the attacks deplorable, describing them as acts of "thuggery."

A protest organizer said the West, and particularly the United States, is attacking Islam.

"They want to destroy Islam through the issue of terrorism ... and all those things are engineered by the United States," said Maksuni, who only uses one name.

"We are fighting America fiercely this time," he said. "And we also are fighting Denmark."

In Pakistan, where protests last week left five people dead, police put up roadblocks around Islamabad to keep people from entering the capital for a planned mass protest called by a coalition of six hard-line Islamic parties, the Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal - United Action Forum.

Authorities also detained several lawmakers and Islamic leaders during raids in three cities and announced they would arrest anyone joining a gathering of more than five people to prevent the demonstration.

Opposition leader Maulana Fazlur Rahman, a senior figure in the Islamic coalition, was eventually given permission to lead a small rally through a square in the city center. The protesters chanted "God is great!" and "Any friend of America is a traitor."

But when about 100 other protesters tried to reach the square, officers fired tear gas and at least one gunshot to chase them off. More gunshots were heard later in the city, but it wasn't clear who fired them. At least two policemen were injured, one bleeding from the head. Several demonstrators also were hurt.

A crowd of 700 people, some throwing stones at police, tried to march toward Islamabad's heavily guarded diplomatic enclave about 1.3 miles from the square but with blocked by troops in armored personnel carriers.

Police also blocked about 1,500 protesters from reaching Islamabad from the city of Peshawar by putting shipping containers and sandbags on a bridge along a highway leading to the capital, said Mohammed Iqbal, a key member of the religious alliance.

Elsewhere in Pakistan, about 600 people staged a protest in Chaman, a town near the Afghan border, burning Danish flags and an effigy of the Danish prime minister.

Such protests prompted Denmark on Sunday to temporarily recall its ambassador to Pakistan, Bent Wigotski, because it was impossible for him "to perform his job duties during the present circumstances," the Danish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.