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Kyobanim
07-31-2005, 13:54
I received these from a person who wishes to remain anonymous. This is the first time they have been posted. And this should remain the only place they are posted. Thank you for your cooperation.

1. A10 gun run
2. Mr. Anonymous after a raid
3. Off to work. Scouts headed out.

Pete
07-31-2005, 13:57
Nice Pics; Thanks

Kyobanim
07-31-2005, 13:58
Continued . . .

1. Time to go
2. Scouts trading places with the RT
3. Heavy MG training
4. More MG Training

Kyobanim
07-31-2005, 13:59
One more.

The Reaper
07-31-2005, 14:04
Continued . . .

1. Time to go
2. Scouts trading places with the RT
3. Heavy MG training
4. More MG Training

Gotta love the DShK and PKM.

TR

Team Sergeant
07-31-2005, 14:26
Gotta love the DShK

Not if you're a little guy......
That thing will loosen the fillings in ones teeth.....

Doc
07-31-2005, 14:28
Thanks Kyo!

You-da-man!

Doc

Trip_Wire (RIP)
07-31-2005, 15:23
Great pictures, Thanks for posting! :lifter

Pete
07-31-2005, 15:27
Why do some people wear their flags reversed on their chest and others don't?

The flag code called for the union to be in the upper left corner. With flags being put in different places people started to notice that it was sometimes flying the wrong way. They started to produce flags both ways so that depending on if you wore it on your left or right arm the union would be in the upper left or right corner and "flying" as you moved.

This has upset some of the purists out there.

Anyway, it could be as simple as "Hey, you're missing your flag. Sew this one on." "But Sarge, it's...." "I said sew it on." :D

Dan
07-31-2005, 15:58
If the flag is worn on the sleeve it is always to be worn with the union forward to look like it's flying in the wind blowing from the front. This is why you will find the flags made both ways.

Dan
07-31-2005, 16:01
Anyway, it could be as simple as "Hey, you're missing your flag. Sew this one on." "But Sarge, it's...." "I said sew it on." :D

Most of the flags have velcro on the back and slapped on not sewed on.

The Reaper
07-31-2005, 16:08
Pic #2 of Mr. Anonymous

Why is he wearing 2 flags, and why is 1 black-and-white and tilted, and why is the one on his chest not reversed?

Why do his magazines angle-off when the carriers don't? (do the magazines?)

Thanks Kyobanim for the post.

FrontSight


You sillivillians sure ask a lot of questions.

Recognition.

Subdued, IR and NVG visible. Tilted because of Velrco, and it is better in SF to be good than to look good (curious XXs take note).

Because that is the one he had. Do you think this is a fashion show, or combat?

Because as TS already noted, 30 round M-16 mags are curved, as are AK mags. The carrier needs to work for right and left handers. Do you not have an M-4 of your own to have and hold, feed and care for?

TR

Dan
07-31-2005, 16:09
Why do some people wear their flags reversed on their chest and others don't?

an indication of continuing conflict?

Pete
07-31-2005, 16:53
Most of the flags have velcro on the back and slapped on not sewed on.

Revised for the purists

"Hey, you're missing your flag, SLAP this one on." But Sarge....." "I said SLAP it on." :D

Pete
I never did like Hook Pile Fastening Tape anyway. That SSShhhhizzzzppppt sound always bugged me.

alphamale
07-31-2005, 17:41
The flag code called for the union to be in the upper left corner. With flags being put in different places people started to notice that it was sometimes flying the wrong way. They started to produce flags both ways so that depending on if you wore it on your left or right arm the union would be in the upper left or right corner and "flying" as you moved.Thanks Pete! I think that was what Sir Razor said at one point.


Subdued, IR and NVG visible. That was my guess for the black and white version - that it blended in better with the camo. But I had not seen a B&W version ever before.


and it is better in SF to be good than to look good (curious XXs take note).OK. Noted. But hey, I think he looks hot!

AND, Sir TR, please note I didn't ask about the beard! Because I already read that topic! Seeeeeeeeeee! :lifter

FrontSight

alphamale
07-31-2005, 17:42
Do you not have an M-4 of your own to have and hold, feed and care for?Nope. Not in-the-flesh. I thought the mags were straight from movies and TV, and that the curved ones were old fashioned types.

I had an amazing AR-15 but it was stolen when I moved.

FrontSight

NousDefionsDoc
07-31-2005, 17:46
Nice pics

The Reaper
07-31-2005, 18:13
Nope. Not in-the-flesh. I thought the mags were straight from movies and TV, and that the curved ones were old fashioned types.

I had an amazing AR-15 but it was stolen when I moved.

FrontSight

You had an AR-15, but did not know that the mags were curved?

There has got to be something wrong here.

TR

alphamale
07-31-2005, 18:17
Yep.

Past tense .

I don't remember if I ever shot it or not. I first wanted to learn about the HK .223.

And then, it was gone.

FrontSight

Roguish Lawyer
07-31-2005, 18:19
You had an AR-15, but did not know that the mags were curved?

There has got to be something wrong here.

TR

Perhaps she had difficulty lifting a 30-round mag, and went with 10? :munchin

The Reaper
07-31-2005, 18:29
Yep.

Past tense :( .

I don't remember if I ever shot it or not. I first wanted to learn about the HK .223.

And then, it was gone.

FrontSight

Interesting concept, owning guns that you have never fired.

Good point, RL, she may have had to use 5 rounders.

TR

alphamale
07-31-2005, 18:35
Interesting concept, owning guns that you have never fired.I did shoot someone else's AR-15. It felt so good and light I had to get one. Then I moved and poof. (That and a used .22 rifle of some kind that I also had never fired was taken. But not my HK .223.)

Those were strange days. I was trying lots of guns and going to a bazillion classes and was drop-dead serious about everything.

FrontSight

alphamale
07-31-2005, 22:56
On the gun that he's holding, what is just forward of the scope?

TR, that gun doesn't look anything like my AR did. It doesn't have the distinctive _____ towards the front. (I'll remember the name in a minute...)

FrontSight

The Reaper
07-31-2005, 23:12
On the gun that he's holding, what is just forward of the scope?

TR, that gun doesn't look anything like my AR did. It doesn't have the distinctive _____ towards the front. (I'll remember the name in a minute...)

FrontSight

That "gun" (more correctly, a rifle, a carbine, or an M-4), appears to have an optical sight, a PAQ-4 or PEQ-2 IR Illuminator, and a SureFire Millenium flashlight mounted.

I have no idea what your AR had, I can assure you that his M-4 appears to be properly configured.

TR

Smokin Joe
08-01-2005, 01:57
I just noticed his BDU top, very interesting....new tiger strip?

Kyobanim
08-01-2005, 03:34
I just noticed his BDU top, very interesting....new tiger strip?

tiger stripe has been around for a while. I believe it really became "popular" during RVN.

Smokin Joe
08-01-2005, 03:40
tiger stripe has been around for a while. I believe it really became "popular" during RVN.

Roger that however I have never seen US personal in the box wearing the desert tiger stripe.

Peregrino
08-01-2005, 09:36
Roger that however I have never seen US personal in the box wearing the desert tiger stripe.

They look to be the "chocolate chips" of Desert I notoriety. The pattern has a lot more brown and some black. I don't think the active Army still issues it (too dark for ME deserts) - though it looks adequate in the terrain visible in the pictures. The flag on the sleeve is the IR visible one. It "glows" when illuminated (by IR) to keep some trigger happy gunner from lighting you up after painting you like a target. It's crooked because its velcroed to the flap of a pocket (usually the lower pockets off the front of the shirt) that has been sewn (at an angle) to the upper sleeve. The Marines and now the Army have incorporated this into the new uniforms. The bottom shirt pockets have always been pretty useless in the field with LBE over them. Add tucking in the shirt tail and body armor and they become a real PITA. I'm glad the uniform board finally accepted something front line soldiers have been doing for years. And the flag on the chest is correct. FWIW - Peregrino

lurp
08-01-2005, 13:12
Hi
Nice pics :munchin

It is desert-tigers.

Anyway here is another strange civi question. How is it with the uniform regulations (in Afghanistan), can you were other us uniform's, like other camoflage or plain khakis?
(thinking about Multicam etc. since the taliban mostly use's a carpet and a scarf)
I have seen operators in plain khaki and tigerstripes, are those SF or pmc's?

:confused: Thanks

Stryker
08-01-2005, 17:35
nice pics

aricbcool
08-01-2005, 17:46
Great pictures, thanks for sharing.

--Aric

Weazle23
08-01-2005, 18:15
Those are great pics, thanks for sharing.

Brother Rat
08-01-2005, 22:47
It looks like this pattern, but maybe from a different manufacturer.

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/dts.shtml

C/S PHOENIX 10
08-01-2005, 23:51
Who is this masked man and why is he out of uniform. I think we have us one of those rogue warriors fly around over here. Don't worry sir we'll get to the bottom of this. All I know it's not one of my men, because we did not submit a memo request to wear ANYTHING OTHER THAN ACU's. That's right, up until shortly ago to one had to request to wear BDU's or even DCU's. Even through they are issued military uniforms. Thankfully the policy was revised(which was a SOF policy to boot), now one can wear any issued battle uniform of your service. As for the tiger strips that is just plan silly, even through they do not violate the law of land warfare. As explained by the JAG, but does violate policy letters produced. But I beleive that the haji in the uniform is taliban and will be shot on sight if anyone could ID this masked man, oh is it's Batman. This is no launghing matter. If it was by some slimest of margins a US member I would bet that this was taken in his off time in the team bunker.....

C/S PHOENIX 10
08-02-2005, 00:14
Take the hii!! well at least mark it for a AH-64 gun run

Smokin Joe
08-02-2005, 01:39
Who is this masked man and why is he out of uniform. I think we have us one of those rogue warriors fly around over here. Don't worry sir we'll get to the bottom of this. All I know it's not one of my men, because we did not submit a memo request to wear ANYTHING OTHER THAN ACU's. That's right, up until shortly ago to one had to request to wear BDU's or even DCU's. Even through they are issued military uniforms. Thankfully the policy was revised(which was a SOF policy to boot), now one can wear any issued battle uniform of your service. As for the tiger strips that is just plan silly, even through they do not violate the law of land warfare. As explained by the JAG, but does violate policy letters produced. But I beleive that the haji in the uniform is taliban and will be shot on sight if anyone could ID this masked man, oh is it's Batman. This is no launghing matter. If it was by some slimest of margins a US member I would bet that this was taken in his off time in the team bunker.....

How do you like the ACU's?

Does the pattern work? Or is it a total Goat F&*k pattern for your AO?

You guys stay safe.

Max_Tab
08-02-2005, 02:15
Who is this masked man and why is he out of uniform. I think we have us one of those rogue warriors fly around over here. Don't worry sir we'll get to the bottom of this. All I know it's not one of my men, because we did not submit a memo request to wear ANYTHING OTHER THAN ACU's. That's right, up until shortly ago to one had to request to wear BDU's or even DCU's. Even through they are issued military uniforms. Thankfully the policy was revised(which was a SOF policy to boot), now one can wear any issued battle uniform of your service. As for the tiger strips that is just plan silly, even through they do not violate the law of land warfare. As explained by the JAG, but does violate policy letters produced. But I beleive that the haji in the uniform is taliban and will be shot on sight if anyone could ID this masked man, oh is it's Batman. This is no launghing matter. If it was by some slimest of margins a US member I would bet that this was taken in his off time in the team bunker.....


This individual, looks familiar. If seen an immediate sitrep will be sent to the proper authorities, and if approval is given, will nicely ask him, if he is a bad guy. If he answers in the affirmitive, another sitrep will be sent, asking what I should do with said bad guy. 48-72 hrs later, when I get an answer, I will then escort him to the proper police officials. :D

vsvo
08-02-2005, 09:34
Nice pics, thanks for sharing!

CPTAUSRET
08-04-2005, 08:49
Kyo:

Thanks for posting.

Thanks to Mr Anonymous for sharing.

Terry

TRUST
08-04-2005, 10:51
Take the hii!! well at least mark it for a AH-64 gun run
C/S PHOENIX 10,
Is that the HK69A1 grenade launcher? Looks like it.

Thanks to all who shared their photos

TRUST

Viking
08-04-2005, 14:30
Not sure of the exact nomenclature. I'm looking at it now and it just says granatepistole HK on it. I've never done an internet search into it. It is cool though isn't it? We've got two.

C/S PHOENIX 10
08-04-2005, 15:38
Trust yes it is an HK69A1, it is as reliable as a rock, it's my weapons of choice once I can get a RAP :o round made for it. No it's a great weapon light and reliable. We have a ton of photo's but as you can see I am a mentally challenged individual and having hugh issues trying to reduce the size to be excepted in a post.

Kyobanim
08-04-2005, 18:14
As you might have guessed, these pictures were taken by Viking. Warrior and great photographer. Here's a few more I just received.


1. RT Kestral back at the house
2. RT Kestral on patrol
3. Taxi
4. Viking

Thanks for the great Pictures

Gypsy
08-04-2005, 19:25
Thank you Viking, for the pictures...and for all you do.

longrange1947
08-04-2005, 21:59
Hmmm interesting photos and dialogue.

TR, my guess is that Frontsight only had 20 round mags that were blocked to compy with the silly bill. But then to have a weapon and not fire it is inconceivable. :D

Desert Tigers, now that is about asinine. Tigers were developed for the horizontal shadows thrown by triple canopy in SEA.

How can a flag that is not on the right shoulder and have the field of stars in the upper right hand corner be correct? The actual 'law' says that the field is to always be in the upper left hand corner. Only Army policy corrected the odd appearance of the backwards flying flag. I have mixed feelings on this one. It looks odd and we need flags on both shoulders, but.......

I believe is he wearing the new "digital ACUs" The photos caused the odd Tiger like appearance. Just my thoughts on it.

:munchin

lurp
08-05-2005, 12:31
ACU's on the last photos and tiger on the first ;)

Dustin03
08-05-2005, 13:23
Hmmm interesting photos and dialogue.


How can a flag that is not on the right shoulder and have the field of stars in the upper right hand corner be correct? The actual 'law' says that the field is to always be in the upper left hand corner. Only Army policy corrected the odd appearance of the backwards flying flag. I have mixed feelings on this one. It looks odd and we need flags on both shoulders, but.......

:munchin

Sir, if you look on any military aircraft it's the same effect. One side the Flag looks "correct" and on the opposite it's as if you where looking at the same flag from the other side, resulting in the union being in the upper right corner, or "flying backwards". Think of the troop moving forward carrying the flag, which way would the flag "flow" if it is properly carried. I believe this comes from the idea that the flag does not travel backwards. Anytime I carried a casket during my tour with the Honor Guard in my Air Force days we always carried it (except for pulling it out of the herse of course) so that the union of the flag led the way, same thing in the herse, the union was always leading while the vehicle was driving.

I never really understood why we wear the reverse flag either, I just do as I'm told and let more important people that get paid to think of things like that worry about it.

frostfire
08-05-2005, 17:19
As you might have guessed, these pictures were taken by Viking. Warrior and great photographer. Here's a few more I just received.


1. RT Kestral back at the house
2. RT Kestral on patrol
3. Taxi
4. Viking

Thanks for the great Pictures


great pics!

I like the PPE

Thanks for sharing

Smokin Joe
08-05-2005, 18:07
I never really understood why we wear the reverse flag either, I just do as I'm told and let more important people that get paid to think of things like that worry about it.

I HEARD that the reason for the Flag flying backwards on the right shoulder is to give the appearance that the Flag is always making forward progress and never retreating.

Take it FWIW.

Viking nice job on the photos. You guys stay safe over there.

Carbine
08-09-2005, 22:28
Awsome pics!!

I know it's beating a dead horse, but the first picture looks like a faded chocolate chip uniform!!!


Carbine

lurp
08-10-2005, 04:18
I dont give up that easy :D I still think/know its a Desert-tigerstripe, you can see clearly in photo#4 (1. Time to go)

Huey14
08-10-2005, 04:58
The flag explanation makes sense, since that's the way it's done on airliners, too.

Or at least on the AUS/NZ carriers. I don't know if anyone else's has the nat. flag on them.

Razor
08-10-2005, 20:10
I dont give up that easy.

The uniform in the first pic appears to be a faded six-color desert top and DTS pants. The guys wearing the DTS tops and bottoms in the other pic look to be Afghanis, and therefore could be wearing a different uniform from their US advisors.

Viking, are the guys in DPM Brit and their LBGs?

Huey14
08-10-2005, 20:20
That DPM looks...odd. It doesn't quite look like Brit and it doesn't quite look Kiwi.

I'd be interested in the answer, too.

Kyobanim
08-14-2005, 21:02
Another set of images from Viking.

1. RT Nightjar One Zero and camel
2. RT Raptor marksman
3. RT Raptor One One on a UH-60
4. RT Nightjar One Zero
5. RT Raptor

Kyobanim
08-14-2005, 21:03
Not sure how to categorize this one other than "monkey"

TRUST
08-17-2005, 21:52
Trust yes it is an HK69A1, it is as reliable as a rock, it's my weapons of choice once I can get a RAP :o round made for it. No it's a great weapon light and reliable.C/S PHOENIX 10,
Thanks for the confirmation. Yes, RAP rds. would be great! :D

For those commenting on the US 'reversed field' flags, these links may be helpful [the second shows the reverse field flag on VC-25A aka Air Force One]:

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html [about 1/2 way down the page]
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/more/airforce1.htm

HTH
TRUST

504PIR
08-20-2005, 13:09
The company I work for in Iraq as of late issues the Desert Tiger Stripe BDUs. We do wear them, I don't think its the best pattern for where we are at. But then again they have not designed a pattern that blends in with a "Mamba", "Casspir" or F350 gun truck.

I do like them better than the contractor uniform of 5.11s, mainly because the tiger stripes are free.

Back to the night shift

Para
08-21-2005, 23:33
I thought I knew what team that was just by their DTS's and the last set of pics confirmed that. The DTS are their unofficial team uniform that they have from a trip to Africa, nothing more.

G
08-23-2005, 23:14
G'day All

Seeing how there is so much interest in the uniform shown in the pics, I thought I might post photos of some similar looking camos to the DTS that is shown. Used to see a lot of this in my old haunt.

Take Care...

G

dennisw
03-02-2007, 10:03
Attached are few more pictures from Afghanistan. First one was taken behind a police station. :D 7265

This one features a tractor liberated from some bad guys. Instead of blowing it in place they let a friendly have it instead. Please note the rear security. :D 7267

Final picture shows gate into compound. Gate bears the name of all SF fallen in Afghanistan. 7266

Electron
09-26-2008, 07:00
I still have my flag patch from Just Cause. Back then it was worn on the left sleeve...unless you were wearing a sterile uniform.

Personally, I don't like to wear a camouflaged (green and black) U.S. flag. The colors just ain't right.

cornelyj
09-26-2008, 15:54
cool pics thanks for the posts...