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https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-detains-hotel-guest-in-dod-training-drill-gone-wrong_5175504.html
Badger52
04-06-2023, 04:05
Read about that. The hotel equiv of a no-knock on the wrong room. Imagine if he'd been armed & thought his room was being "home invaded"...
Whoever decided that was a good idea to run that exercise live in a working hotel should perhaps be promoted to the Field Office in Shemya.
:munchin
We LOVE working with the feds because its fun and it strokes our ego and because they teach us TONS of things about conducting law enforcement operations that we dont know
...and we teach them how to army
...we teach them mother fuckers how to army HARD
...be all that you can be bitches !!!
Besides, FUCK that pilot - we need to train - and if he'd have given us the information we needed - it wouldn't have taken us 45 minutes to figure out that he was the wrong guy - what a loser - we should have shot his fucking dog to teach him a lesson
Thats what he gets for working for such a shitty airline and staying at a posh hotel - if he had been flying for Jet Blue, they'd have put him up in a Motel-6 and this wouldn't have happened
In another article it was stated that they put him in the shower!!!
I can just see how impressed the organizers must have been with the pilot's play acting skills of withholding information, refusing to cooperate, and genuinely being resisting too complying to their demands.
5 minutes into the drill, the leader call C&C and states "This guy is Good!!!!"
They should have hooked his ass up to a car battery like Mr Joshua did to Detective Riggs...
...then dangled him over the balcony.
...then made him eat a bowl of chili made out of his parents like Eric Cartman did to Scott Tenorman - because FUCK Scott Tenorman.
That's what those airlines get for doing away with all the decent snacks on those long flights.
Trapper John
04-06-2023, 09:41
The bigger question to me is: Exactly what scenario are they training for that requires active duty Army personnel operating in CONUS? I'm guessing from the title of this thread that you are wondering the same thing, MR2? ;)
The bigger question to me is: Exactly what scenario are they training for that requires active duty Army personnel operating in CONUS? I'm guessing from the title of this thread that you are wondering the same thing, MR2? ;)
Did you guys learn NOTHING from JADE HELM ???
Dear 8 pound 6 ounce newborn infant baby Jesus, don't even know a word yet, lyin' there in his ghost manger, just lookin' at his Baby Einstein developmental videos, learnin' 'bout shapes and colors...
...you gents need to pay attention -
IT HAPPENED ON THE 15TH FLOOR OF THE REVERE HOTEL YOU FUCKING CRETINS
-JADE HELM 15
-FLOOR 15
-THE REVERE HOTEL (15 letters)
-TRAINING DRILL GONE WRONG (15 letters)
-THEY HELD THE GUY FOR 45 MINUTES: THAT'S 15 MINUTES 3 TIMES
-THREE IS A MAGIC NUMBER
-FBI HAS THREE LETTERS
Can't you smell what the Rock is cooking ???
edited to add: I posted on the 3rd and 5th posts in this thread that's 3x5=15 for those of you that don't math real good.
also edited to add: my last post was the 7th post in this thread so now I have submitted the 3rd, 5th, and 7th posts in this thread.
So what?
3+5+7=15 that's what !!
If the pilot doesn't walk away with 10M$ tax free,,
He deserves what he got.. :munchin
The bigger question to me is: Exactly what scenario are they training for that requires active duty Army personnel operating in CONUS? I'm guessing from the title of this thread that you are wondering the same thing, MR2? ;)
Bingo.
Realistic Urban Training (RUTs). Very commonplace within a particular Tier.
Trapper John
04-07-2023, 08:48
Realistic Urban Training (RUTs). Very commonplace within a particular Tier.
I understand the need to coordinate and consolidate C&C, comms, and unit tactics between disparate units from different agencies. But doing so on a regular basis, confirms that leadership presumes the necessity of domestic active duty military operations! :eek:
Badger52
04-07-2023, 11:44
Realistic Urban Training (RUTs). Very commonplace within a particular Tier.I'd read in one of the articles that it was ostensibly practice for the possibility of such opns OCONUS (right). Getting the wrong room - guaranteed not to retain the low-profile in a host nation they might be hoping for.
Should those personnel now be carrying F-U money in $$ or Yuan?
Being reported as USSOCOM and FBI..Cag and Fibbee's doing an oconus training event...
I was able to abscond with a printed manuscript of the comms traffic during the event...
...I would never have believed it if it hadn't been reported on the mainstream news networks
Who does #2 work for?
I dont know what you're talking about
**smack**
Who Does Number-Two Work For?
What is going on here?
I dont know what you're talking about
** smack smack**
Who Does Number-Two Work For?
**smack smack**
Stop you're hurting me...
...why are you stuffing me in the shower SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME
(dude, these new contract role players are super committed)
**SMACK SMACK SMACK**
WHO.DOES.NUMBER.TWO...
**Lone Wolf this is Wolf Den abort mission**
Wait, What ??
**Lone Wolf this is Wolf Den abort mission - wrong target - repeat WRONG TARGET**
oh fuck
**Lone Wolf this is Wolf Den return to base for cocktails and debriefing**
uhm...
...sorry dude, my bad
I understand the need to coordinate and consolidate C&C, comms, and unit tactics between disparate units from different agencies. But doing so on a regular basis, confirms that leadership presumes the necessity of domestic active duty military operations! :eek:
I think it’s more the other direction. If you want to “Arrest” Osama, you have to have a badge. If you don’t arrest him, he can’t be “tried” in court.
As for this particular SNAFU, shit happens in training. Mistakes made in the conduct of these things (while extremely exposing to TTPs that are best left alone) are precisely how you learn to NOT foul it up for real. I’m sure the AAR for this was FUGLY to say the least, and likely someone's rucksack was in the hallway over it.
As to the conspiracy minded folks out there. If you think for a second there are remotely enough folks in the entire us government that have the capacity to wage a war of aggression against the normal, everyday, coffee drinking American Citizen then you ain’t too good at math.
If you take the ENTIRE US MILITARY (yeah, ALL OF THEM) you get ~1.3 million folks. There are 393 MILLION Privately Owned Firearms in the US. Now, pretend for a minute the local goon-squad of super-ninja FBI JSOC Pipe-Hitters start systematically going door to door…… how long till the L-Shaped Ambushes and HBIED attacks start to reduce their numbers (somewhere in the 1,500 -2,000 range) to a point that they are completely a non-thing?
That is assuming that somehow the BEST and BRIGHTEST Red-Blooded Freedom Fighters in those organizations even obey the BS that is being put to them?
Yeah, more “look at me” headlines that are not worth loosing sleep over….
(Well, unless you F’d up that Target Packet and transposed 321 and 312)
Just to play devil's advocate
Only a fool would order such a systematic disarming of the populace.
What a smarter person would do is just instigate public unrest - then quietly detain selected folks for months on end without due process.
Others could simply be identified and isolated quietly while social media posts that attempt to spread the word are surreptitiously deleted or blocked because of "misinformation"
Then, of course, they would make sure that a fancy-looking dossier was ready and waiting to be "produced" before ANY particular individual was actually 'targeted'. Only then would an actual kinetic event be initiated.
...a dossier that showed all of the red flags that were missed - all of the extremist content that has been posted by such an unstable person over the years - the dangerous arsenal of scary guns - the hundreds of rounds of cached ammunition - several pounds of unidentified gunpowder - maybe even a ghost gun with a pistol brace or a bump stock
Then of course, if you REALLY wanted to fuck someone over, you'd just find some illicit content on a computer somewhere - even if the content was just an old digitized copy of 'Girls Gone Wild' - maybe a few dick picks that were texted to an ex-girlfriend just before an ugly break up. Maybe even leak a few government-produced deep fakes.
Before you knew it - incrementalism and the associated response to "extremism" would have made everything either illegal or too expensive to possess because of the "tax stamp"
The "real" bad guys will never be the first ones that start sh00ting - they will get a lot more accomplished by never firing a single shot.
...and why should they; sh00ting wars are for peasants..
Besides, they are already winning in the courtrooms and the classrooms. Everything else is just Hollywood.
I'm just glad that we still have our privacy.
bblhead672
04-07-2023, 18:20
The Feds were merely demonstrating how easily they screw up and raid the wrong location. The after training was on how you claim the mistake was necessary to protect just one child.
Badger52
04-07-2023, 18:48
Just to play devil's advocate
Only a fool would order such a systematic disarming of the populace.
What a smarter person would do is just instigate public unrest - then quietly detain selected folks for months on end without due process.
Etc., etc..... As Linda Ellerbee used to say, "And so it goes."
Trapper John
04-08-2023, 11:00
I think it’s more the other direction. If you want to “Arrest” Osama, you have to have a badge. If you don’t arrest him, he can’t be “tried” in court.
As for this particular SNAFU, shit happens in training. Mistakes made in the conduct of these things (while extremely exposing to TTPs that are best left alone) are precisely how you learn to NOT foul it up for real. I’m sure the AAR for this was FUGLY to say the least, and likely someone's rucksack was in the hallway over it.
As to the conspiracy minded folks out there. If you think for a second there are remotely enough folks in the entire us government that have the capacity to wage a war of aggression against the normal, everyday, coffee drinking American Citizen then you ain’t too good at math.
If you take the ENTIRE US MILITARY (yeah, ALL OF THEM) you get ~1.3 million folks. There are 393 MILLION Privately Owned Firearms in the US. Now, pretend for a minute the local goon-squad of super-ninja FBI JSOC Pipe-Hitters start systematically going door to door…… how long till the L-Shaped Ambushes and HBIED attacks start to reduce their numbers (somewhere in the 1,500 -2,000 range) to a point that they are completely a non-thing?
That is assuming that somehow the BEST and BRIGHTEST Red-Blooded Freedom Fighters in those organizations even obey the BS that is being put to them?
Yeah, more “look at me” headlines that are not worth loosing sleep over….
(Well, unless you F’d up that Target Packet and transposed 321 and 312)
Makes sense, Thanks Bubba!
To be clear, I never thought this was a training mission as a run up to disarm us. It would never happen that way. But given the weaponization of agencies of government, I don't think it unreasonable that some boneheaded bureaucrat would think this a good idea to affect his fiat. :eek:
I understand the need to coordinate and consolidate C&C, comms, and unit tactics between disparate units from different agencies. But doing so on a regular basis, confirms that leadership presumes the necessity of domestic active duty military operations! :eek:
Not so much as CONUS focused. The RUTs are done in preparing a force's OCONUS deployment. It is always easier to do them in the US than overseas with questionable HN cops/military.
Box is right - I'm always telling folks to "take a walk through my computer." I don't have child porn on it and I don't surf "How do I b**w the good gubmint people up" websites.
'Cause we ALL damned know that when we get our ass balled-up for jay-walking, or they finally find that fishing violation from when we were ten and Uncle Rico took us to the river, they will also declare a cornucopia of horribles they similarly find in our digital footprint. "He seemed so normal...., who knew?"
And...they also know that when the press declares I have an "arsenal," yeah....well, they're right about that.
The gubmint is a learning organization. Look at the way they took Koresh. They had eyes on him for months and could have taken him peacefully at any time during his jaunts into town. No. Janet Reno and $$BIll wanted to make a statement to the rubes who think they can do what they want on their own damned property. They had to make a statement.
Well, statement made. "Burn it."
They won't make that mistake again. They'll just grab us off the street and "find" all sorts of compromising shit on our computers. I my even have kicked a puppy....
Still nowhere near as bad as Swoop. That man is evil!!!! :D
Never kicked a puppy…maybe a cat, but not a puppy.
So, I know I’m running counter to the general thoughts here. I understand the “why” people are worried about the governing bodies having access to the digital and physical data that can be used to build target packets that can be used to ostracize and / or imprison otherwise innocent American Citizens / Patriots. I see the same things. I just have a slightly different point of view.
1) The simple mass of data is humongous. The ability to analyze this data and build those TIPs would require immense resources that just plain old are not there. Even if the resources to analyze, collate, and publish this data into useful targetable targets existed, the chances that the morons that are doing it would get it right are not very good. Just look at this particular case for an example. They actually new what the target was (they set it up) and they still fucked it up.
2) Imagine for a minute one of your children was kidnapped. Your parents were murdered. A school shooter was planning to commit mass murder. Some guy named Osama was planning to hijack a few airplanes and kill your entire family. Would you want the people whose job is to deal with these issues to have the resources to find, fix, and finish these evil assholes? What would you say if they passed up the opportunity (s) to deal with the issues ahead of time? How would you feel if you could have stopped one of these things from happening but didn’t because you didn’t have access?
3) You have the freedom to say what ever you want. You can look at what ever you want on the internet. You can go where ever you want. But you don’t have the freedom from other people (the government / law enforcement / the intelligence community) from watching you. What you put out there is for all to see. And before the arguments about 4th Amendment issues get going, you signed an agreement with an ISP of some kind that says something about how what you do is monitored / can be monitored by LEO. What you say / type can be heard by all (including LEO)….. so if you don't want them to hear it, don’t say it.
4) Specifically for our (SF / SOF / IC) community. We ALL have filled out an SF86. They (the government) already have the information they need to target us. If they want us then we are already screwed. The point is, they are too busy dealing with the actual scum-bags that need to be dealt with. It’s a matter of resource management if that is your take on where this is heading.
5) If (and it’s a big IF) the USG wants to put its boot on OUR throats, then the people I am worried about don’t scare ME. They ARE US. WE are the People who the government would send! Anyone who would actually follow orders counter to their Oath against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic that run counter to Supporting and Defending the Constitution are weak cowards who could be easily defeated by a committed group of Unconventional Warriors who are capable of overthrowing a hostile foreign power, by, with, and through the indigenous population. Especially a general population that is armed to the fucking teeth………. Just sayin’
ETA:
The “government” is not in charge of anything other than ensuring scum-bags are put in jail. The “government” has no REAL Power. They think they do, but they don’t. If you think they do, then you don’t really understand who does.
America is NOT a country. It is a Business with a security force. Think of it this way and conduct a simple analysis.
Stealing cuts into profits (so “government” stops it / punishes it) (Taxes are used to provide for the indigent so they don’t steal)
Illicit drugs cut into worker efficiency and encourages laziness (so “government” stops it)
Drunk Driving causes insurance claims to go up and cuts into profits (so “government” stops it)
Murder / Kidnapping / Rape cuts into the efficiency of workers (so “government” punishes it)
The open border allows a supply for low skilled manual labor (so the “government” allows it and got rid of the guy who wanted to stop it)
The threat of foreign action increases the cost of goods and services (so the “government” sends the Navy to open the trade routes)
The cheap fracked oil threatens profits (so “government” doesn’t allow leaseses)
This list can go on and on and on. Use this lens when deciphering the “news” (aka propaganda from businesses).
America IS not a country. It is a Business that cares about making money.
The last time there was a shooting match here was over the cost-of labor issue (s) that slavery brought about. Business fought over these issues and settled on a form of “imagined freedom” that currently have. I’ve said it before, Abe Lincoln didn’t free a single slave. The 13th Amendment didn’t end “slavery” in anything other than the name. John Deere did. Mechanization (business efficiency) did. It’s cheaper to run a tractor than 50-ish slaves. Nothing more, nothing less.
The first time there was a shooting match, we started by dumping tea into a harbor. We were pissed that some asshole in England wanted to cut into our profits. Businessmen ran the war. All were land-owning business men who wanted to run their businesses as they saw fit. The military action was centered around this general principle. The Constitution was set up like a corporate charter, not a governing document.
If the “government” gets too big for it’s britches, then the real powers (the people who make money) will slap them down and put in a “government” that does what it’s supposed to do, protect the profits.
Re-read the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution with these thoughts in mind…..
Change your perspective and it all starts to actually make sense…….
After reading Bubba comments in the posse comatatis thread #23, the realization and simplicity of his argument is valid, negates my sky is falling comment in the Cognition thread, exposing the weakness in my critical thinking skills.
As for Hanson, his analysis of the current culture conflict is correct, but will it put us over the edge, there is no certainty that it will, the pendulum is swinging it will eventually reach an equilibrium, balancing opposing views. The push back the General Flynn recently posted on Twitter, telling Obama too literally, GFY is evidence of the rebalancing.
GratefulCitizen
04-09-2023, 12:45
The direct effectiveness of direct action against the population (questionable no-knock warrants, holding January 6th defendants in questionable circumstances, perp-walking people who are no real threat, etc.) is miniscule.
The indirect effectiveness is another matter.
The pandemic didn’t have a tremendous direct effects.
The indirect effects potentially altered the course of human history.
Minor news stories can be amplified and used to great effect.
No doubt, some of them involve horrifically tragic consequences for those involved, but at a greater scale, “never let a crisis go to waste” applies.
Statistically the average Joe, even if blasting away online against the powers that be, faces much greater risks from everyday life.
The point of blowing up these stories is to create fear, thereby gaining some degree of submission and compliance at a cheap rate.
The reality is that most have nothing to fear.
Unless…their influence blows up and they can change too many hearts and minds too quickly.
Then cancel culture, lawfare, or worse may come to rectify the disruption.
Too many beers. Deleted for rambling……. Happy Easter to All
Badger52
04-09-2023, 20:10
4) Specifically for our (SF / SOF / IC) community. We ALL have filled out an SF86.For any of us from before just a few years ago*, OPM made sure a bunch of people have that stuff, so we're in the wind for awhile now.
* I can't remember the OPM leak year exactly because I get it confused with the VA, the IRS, the 2nd VA, and one other DoD hack I can't recall the year of. But hey, who's counting?
:munchin
Trapper John
04-10-2023, 10:51
:DNot so much as CONUS focused. The RUTs are done in preparing a force's OCONUS deployment. It is always easier to do them in the US than overseas with questionable HN cops/military.
Makes a lot of sense! Thank you Brother. Dialing back the paranoia dial.
FWIW, one of side effects of a cerebral vascular accident (cva), can be a heightened sense of paranoia and altered self identity. ;) To wit, if you ever saw the series "Homeland", the character 'Peter Quinn' played the post-cva altered self-identy and paranoia side effects beautifully.
Oh, and Bubba, thank you too for an exquisitely simple explanation, Occam's Razor rules, even if it did cause Penn to question his critical thinking skills, which are pretty good by the way. :D
No, I am not self-identifying as a woman now. But, I did hear a rumor that Swoop kicked a puppy. :D
tom kelly
04-11-2023, 17:07
Read about that. The hotel equiv of a no-knock on the wrong room. Imagine if he'd been armed & thought his room was being "home invaded"...
Whoever decided that was a good idea to run that exercise live in a working hotel should perhaps be promoted to the Field Office in Shemya.
:munchin
J Edgar Hoover would send Agents to Butte, Montana to indicate his displeasure. I am waiting for some one zero's and one-ones to surface in the rank & file to neutralize the 8th floor...Fuck that whistle blowing bull shit--- Remember it only took @18 people to overthrow the Czar of Russia....