Communist California, Dear Leader Knows Best

[Team Sergeant]

This is better than reality TV........ watching Communist California slowly implode.

55 gallons for everyone!!!!!! (Except if you're a hollywood celebrity or liberal/communist politician, then you are not affected by this communist law.)

:D

Enjoy your bitches, oh snap, I meant beaches..........




Tammy Bruce: California's new water rules are making people flee the Golden State

By Tammy Bruce | The Washington Times
“Please sir, I want some more,” is no longer a sentiment just for Oliver Twist in the orphanage. A new law in California limits how much water can be used by each household. Now their showers, how many flushes, and how often they can do their laundry will be under the watchful eye of the state government.
This from politicians who have pushed policies creating homeless and drug abuse crises throughout the state. They have now decided to clamp down on the use of the most basic needs of civilized living.

As the blog Zero Hedge put it, “it’s now against the law to do laundry and shower on the same day in the Sunshine State,” and they’re not exaggerating. Under the guise of addressing “climate change,” the new bill rations water to a degree that makes it impossible to maintain a healthy home environment.
Perhaps the state wants everyone to feel like the drug addicts living in California’s ever-expanding homeless tent cities?

Zero Hedge reported, “Assembly Bill 1668 is where it gets personal. This establishes limits on indoor water usage for every person in California and the amount allowed will decrease even further over the next 12 years. ‘The bill, until January 1, 2025, would establish 55 gallons per capita daily as the standard for indoor residential water use, beginning January 1, 2025, would establish the greater of 52.5 gallons per capita daily or a standard recommended by the department and the board as the standard for indoor residential water use, and beginning January 1, 2030, would establish the greater of 50 gallons per capita daily or a standard recommended by the department and the board as the standard for indoor residential water use …’”

How do families feel about the rationing of water? CBS-13 in Sacramento asked a few: “‘With a child and every day having to wash clothes, that’s, just my opinion, not feasible. But I get it and I understand that we’re trying to preserve … but 55 gallons a day?” said Tanya Allen, who has a 4-year-old daughter.”
To give you perspective on how much water basic chores require, the station noted an eight-minute shower uses about 17 gallons of water, a load of laundry up to 40, and a bathtub can hold 80 to 100 gallons of water.

Felicia Marcus, chair of the State Water Resources Control Board, explained this is happening, “So that everyone in California is at least integrating efficiency into our preparations for climate change.” That’s nice. This same bureaucrat then noted to CBS-13, “Right now we lose up to 30 percent of urban water just to leaks in the system.”

As the state rations the water of the average of family, making it impossible for everyone to shower and wash clothes, let alone use water to wash the dishes, and perform any myriad of other efforts to keep a home clean and a family healthy, it’s the state itself and its crumbling infrastructure that is the biggest waster of water.
In 2014, during the drought, Californians found out what happens when policy focuses on controlling people, which is much easier than actually governing and maintaining infrastructure.

The Pasadena Star-News reported, “As 20 million gallons of drinking water rushed down Sunset Boulevard and flooded the UCLA campus this summer, drought-conscious residents threw up their hands. How are three-minute showers going to make a difference, they asked, when the city’s pipes are bursting? Turns out the UCLA flood was just a drop in the sea of potable water that leaks or blows out of underground pipes. California’s water distribution systems lose up to 228 billion gallons a year, the state Department of Water Resources estimates — more than enough to supply the entire city of Los Angeles for a year.”


Communist kalif continued:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/07/tammy-bruce-californias-new-water-rules-are-making-people-flee-golden-state.html

[1stindoor]

Water, water, everywhere...and not a drop to drink. Great! Now they're going to start flooding states east of them and start the cycle all over again.

[Chucko]

If you full time it in a motor-home or a camper, you would be surprised how little water can be lived on.

I understand "per capita" meaning 55 gallons per person in the household. So two people can use over 3000 gallons a month, and I think that is a lot. A person just can't waste it. I don't think me and my wife use over 2000 gallons a month and some to spare. We wash the car, showers every night, laundry when clothes are dirty.

I saw a program a year or so ago that said Calis problems are from not constructing as many dams as they should have and all the rainfall is just running through to the ocean. Now they are paying for it.

The chickens are coming home to roost for my friends in Cali. They can always move to Wisconsin.

[RCummings]

Ah yes, the boondoggles continue. Home here is sold and another bought in another state oh well. Still mortgage free, debt free. I'll miss the woods and animals that I woke up to...suburbs next for me, some things I'll miss, others I won't.

V/R

Bob

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Sadly, two of the primary cities the rejects from the bay area are aiming for are Austin and Boise. And recently, some jack wagon refugee from san fran tried to run for the Idaho legislature in Boise but, thankfully, didn't make the cut. Frankly, I think there should be a strict 10-yr moratorium (quarantine) period for anyone coming from the communist regions of Kalifornia before they can partake in any political activities aside from voting.

[PSM]

If you full time it in a motor-home or a camper, you would be surprised how little water can be lived on.

I understand "per capita" meaning 55 gallons per person in the household. So two people can use over 3000 gallons a month, and I think that is a lot. A person just can't waste it. I don't think me and my wife use over 2000 gallons a month and some to spare. We wash the car, showers every night, laundry when clothes are dirty.

I saw a program a year or so ago that said Calis problems are from not constructing as many dams as they should have and all the rainfall is just running through to the ocean. Now they are paying for it.

The chickens are coming home to roost for my friends in Cali. They can always move to Wisconsin.

This is California, things aren't that simple. They did this, temporarily, about 30 years ago. The reduction was a percentage, 20% I think. I fought back and told CWS that we'd just had a baby and now had an au pair living with us. They raised our allotment. Not long after they implemented this they raised the rates because they were losing money (LA's DWP had just spent a couple of million dollars on a meeting table). When the restriction went away, the higher rates did not.

Not only are they not building new reservoirs, they have been removing old ones for decades.

Water, water, everywhere...and not a drop to drink. Great! Now they're going to start flooding states east of them and start the cycle all over again.

There are a dozen roads across the Colorado River and only 3 major ones. It wouldn't be hard for AZ to stop them. :D

Sadly, two of the primary cities the rejects from the bay area are aiming for are Austin and Boise. And recently, some jack wagon refugee from san fran tried to run for the Idaho legislature in Boise but, thankfully, didn't make the cut. Frankly, I think there should be a strict 10-yr moratorium (quarantine) period for anyone coming from the communist regions of Kalifornia before they can partake in any political activities aside from voting.

I agree. The year that we moved to AZ from CA was an election year and we were immediately eligible to vote. The only local and state candidate that we recognized on the ballot was Sheriff Deaver . . . and he'd just been killed. Most people from CA would go ahead and vote for anyone with a "D" next to their name. We didn't vote for the "R"s because we just didn't know anything about them. We did vote for Sheriff because we did our homework on him and, while he's no Deaver as a personality, he has continued Deaver's mission locally.

[Badger52]

The chickens are coming home to roost for my friends in Cali. They can always move to Wisconsin.We're full & not interested in being turned into Denver. Tell 'em to go up to Seattle; lots of overpriced bad coffee already up that way. I left in '69 and am LMAO.

[rubberneck]

Water, water, everywhere...and not a drop to drink. Great! Now they're going to start flooding states east of them and start the cycle all over again.

Just like the moronic liberals who flee NJ to Pa every year trying to escape the tax burden they created. Then they start pushing for the same policies in Pa that wrecked NJ.

[RCummings]

Badger52,

I would like to promise we won't cross the river but we will because there are some good restaurants that we like over there and of course we'll pick up some worlds best cheese curds for family on the way up the road. Promise we won't stay long yet...

V/R

Bob

[cbtengr]

We're full & not interested in being turned into Denver. Tell 'em to go up to Seattle; lots of overpriced bad coffee already up that way. I left in '69 and am LMAO.

Surely Madison has some sort of refugee resettlement program :D, they invaded Seattle a long time ago, How about Flint or Detroit?

[sfshooter]

Well, if we could keep the damn movie stars and drug runners out of this state it would be good. Pass it on: Montana is full.
In my area of the state the Dakota oil boom a few years back has brought in more undesirables and low life scum than the "lets vote for bike trails and a new library" crowd. I'm quite a few hours away from ND but they seem to land here and never leave! We don't have much population in this state (around a million now, I think) but when you get the kalifornians and the druggies drizzling in it sure makes ya wonder how things are going to turn out. I don't think the hard winters are fazing them anymore!

[Badger52]

Surely Madison has some sort of refugee resettlement program :D, they invaded Seattle a long time ago, How about Flint or Detroit?Madison IS a refugee resettlement program, lol. I think it's called the UW system. Used to be a large influx from Chicongo north to Milwaukee until a work requirement was instituted. :eek:

[JJ_BPK]

Southern Kalifornacate has been stealing water from the Colorado river forever.

If they were to stop the theft they would revert back to a desert.

Their agriculture empire is built on stolen water and it can't continue.


Legislative Analyst's Office, October 16, 1997
Colorado River Water: Challenges for California

The Colorado River supplies over 60 percent of the water used annually in Southern California. California is currently using 20 percent more Colorado River water than it is entitled to under the "Law of the River." The Secretary of the Interior has directed California to come up with a plan to live within its entitlement of 4.4 million acre-feet of water per year.

LAO Findings

Competing Water Demands Limit Reallocation to California. Beginning in 1996, there was not enough unused water from other states' entitlements to reallocate to California as in prior years. However, California's total demand for Colorado River water will continue to increase, driven mainly by population growth.

Without Plan, Immediate Reduction in Supplies Likely. The Secretary of the Interior has advised California that, absent a plan on how it can live within its entitlement, he will be less likely beginning in 1999 to make water available to California above its entitlement. The immediate impact of a reduction in Colorado River water supplies would fall on urban users.

Draft Plan Relies on Conservation and Transfers. The Colorado River Board is responsible for developing the California plan. The board's draft plan relies first on conservation measures, some of which would free up water from agricultural use so that it can be sold to urban users. Other measures include purchasing water from other states.

LAO Recommendations


Statewide Solution Should Be Considered. The Colorado River Board should consider expanding the focus of its plan to include statewide measures in addition to those which pertain solely to the use, supply, or transfer of Colorado River water.

Legislature Should Review Plan. The Legislature should hold oversight hearings prior to the plan being submitted to the Secretary of the Interior. These hearings would enable the Legislature to assess whether the plan's measures are consistent with legislative priorities.

link to article (http://www.lao.ca.gov/1997/101697_colorado_river/101697_colorado_river.html)

[mojaveman]

It's that bad here yes. Just got a notice from the Western Municipal Water District a few weeks ago that said we should expect our water bill to go up at least 30% over the next several years.

Can't wait to retire and leave...

[CSB]

I can only imagine the opening few minutes of a "sales pitch" by Governor Bill Haslam, seeking to attract business to Tennessee ...

"Well hello, company XYZ, we have a great business climate here in Tennessee.
For example, we have no state income tax.
We are a "right to work" state where unions cannot blackmail employees.
We have plentiful, inexpensive water.
We have plentiful inexpensive electricity.
We have a pro-business legislature, with a Republican "super-majority" in both
the House and the Senate.
Did I mention we have no income tax?
We have a structure protective of doctors accused of malpractice.
In most counties, you can register your car for a year for less than $80.
We have a very "Pro 2nd Amendment" legal structure, and we expect citizens
to be responsible for their actions.
Did I mention we have no income tax? Not State, Not County, Not City. None.
We will not allow you to trash the environment, but we balance the laws and
regulations of the state to strike a fair position between growth, manufacture, transportation and ecology.
Did I mention we have no income tax?
In Kalifornia, $750,000 will buy you a two bedroom hovel. In Tennessee, $750,000 will buy you an estate, with acreage."


No wonder Beretta moved here, Hankook Tire, Saturn (years ago) Volkswagen, LG, etc. etc.

"Oh, and by the way, we have a state constitutional mandate for a balanced budget, and our state
consolidated retirement system is funded at over 94% percent."

and so on.

I am so proud to be a citizen of Tennessee, and I pity those on the left coast
and other left leaning environs whose situation can only get worse.

[exsquid]

I predict a booming business for whoever figures out how to modify water meters to read less than actual usage.

x/S

[PSM]

I predict a booming business for whoever figures out how to modify water meters to read less than actual usage.

x/S

They are already installing Smart Electrical Meters, you can bet that the start date was determined by the time needed for the implementation of Smart Water Meter installation.

[Badger52]

I can only imagine the opening few minutes of a "sales pitch" by Governor Bill Haslam, seeking to attract business to Tennessee ...
Awesome pitch. :D

The coast, not just Kali, is going to continue dropping rounds on their own toes (e.g., Seattle madness of "head tax" for large employers). The western Plains, up here, Tennessee... the list of places receptive to business, which makes jobs, which contributes property taxes and positive local economic impact is much larger than the hives that are trying to kill them. Water will find its level... :cool:

[cbtengr]

They will soon run off all the hard working people that pay the bills.

[Last hard class]

So, Tammi Bruce is the new ‘Deep Throat” source for PS. Com?


This entire process, from the author to the good readers of PS.Com, shows a textbook example of how fake news works and how it helps the political side that engineered it. Fake news is engineered for a purpose. Not to convert people, but to reinforce the beliefs of the target audience. While most will view it with a cynical eye, it’s the believers that will pass along the message without questioning the facts. This is what allows Fake news to exist. Make up anything you want as long as it fits the narrative and it will achieve its purpose. Fake news can be totally made up but it’s usually more successful if its wrapped up with something truthful.

Is this story based on the truth? Yes.
Does it still qualify as fake news? Absolutely.

Let’s take a look:


Here’s a name for you: Da#sy L&ther
Now Da#sy is in the business of selling gloom and doom. It appears she also happens to be the original author of this article. Although it is entirely possible she is just a strawman in this instance (see how I did that?). One of her money making endeavors is a blog called “The Org$anic Pre&per”. The more people she can convince that the world is ending, the more money she makes. Doesn’t matter if what she says is true. She’s not in the truth business, she’s in the making money business. It’s the message that counts. She knows her audience.

Radio talk show hosts:
Always looking for a way to create controversy. It’s their job they say. Got to keep the callers checking in you know. A couple of conservative guys pick this story up, go on a rant about communist California and were off to the races.

Now it’s legitimate news.

Enter Fox News. The largest news company in the world (but it doesn’t want to be called mainstream). What better way to reinforce the message than to have a past CA chapter president of NOW to chime in. She doesn’t care about the truth either. Just feed the followers.


The majority of PS.Com members lean heavily to the right. That makes this story appealing here. Already 19 posts moving the story forward. The message continues. Doesn’t matter if it’s true. And don’t kid yourself, this site is a social influencer for a certain demographic. Seeing this article here, backed up by members with QP next to them automatically legitimizes the story to that audience.

To recap:
Far right blog to radio host to fox news back to social influencer and closing the loop to the impressionable readers. That’s called “information laundering”(trademark :D).


Remember, it’s not the truth that counts, just the message.


LHC

[Badger52]

Remember, it’s not the truth that counts, just the message.LHCLHC, AB-1668 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1668) says what it says. The personal residential 55-gal appears to be one of the available factors in the formula available to the water resellers for calculating their water use, along with the supplier's development of a pricing structure to address excess by the individual residential customer. (Also, like much of this kind of stuff, it seems to really place yet another reporting/calculating burden on businesses.)

Question for you since you live in that area of surf & sun: As it's rare for a bunch of legislative critters to actually compose (knowledgeably) the legislation they write, who do you suppose drafted this stuff & purveyed it to the CA Assembly? As in, "cui bono?"

[Last hard class]

LHC, AB-1668 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1668) says what it says. The personal residential 55-gal appears to be one of the available factors in the formula available to the water resellers for calculating their water use, along with the supplier's development of a pricing structure to address excess by the individual residential customer. (Also, like much of this kind of stuff, it seems to really place yet another reporting/calculating burden on businesses.)

Question for you since you live in that area of surf & sun: As it's rare for a bunch of legislative critters to actually compose (knowledgeably) the legislation they write, who do you suppose drafted this stuff & purveyed it to the CA Assembly? As in, "cui bono?"

I really don’t want to debate the nuances of the bill because it undermines my point. If this was a CNN article ( actually, if it was a CNN article TS would not have posted it) we would apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the individual claims. But because it comes from Fox the claims are immaterial because really it’s the message that counts.

Suffice it to say I am not losing sleep worrying about whether I will personally get fined for taking a long romantic shower by myself tonight because my wife turned the TV on when I wouldn’t get off the computer.

You are correct regarding the bill. For anything to pass into law in this state requires at least 6 levels of subterfuge. Starting with the wording that most voters can’t understand (that’s another rant). It would be easy to say that the people who will benefit are the overreaching controlling liberals in power. And that may be all there is to it. I don’t usually put a hammer to that nail on this board because there are plenty of capable and willing people already doing it. But truthfully I don’t yet know. If there is a way to suck more taxes from businesses then bills seem to move right through. Rural areas seem to get the short end of the stick on this one. But loopholes and exceptions lobbying and kickbacks are what makes being a politician great.

California is in trouble. People are leaving and this state will implode eventually. The water issue is real but not an unsolvable problem. Capitalism will prevail with regards to the water issue. It takes a lot of energy to convert sea water to drinking water. But when there is a profit to be made… IMO it’s the higher taxes that will be required to fix the unfunded pensions that will ultimately break this state.

LHC

[RCummings]

Well said, LHC

I have often wondered why people who do not live in California seem to consider themselves subject matter experts on this subject. We are within a couple of weeks of leaving, not because of the repeated boondoggles or PG&E rates but to be closer to family. There are many great people and sights that we will miss. Life goes on and a consensus will again be reached, a balance. I do firmly believe in the system of checks and balances that should describe our local, state and federal government.

V/R

Bob

[Badger52]

LHC, thanks for the insights. I was born & raised there, but have been a spectator since '69 so, as Cooper would say, "it was a different country then." Probably still is in many areas but, as you say, those seem to get the short straw on a regular basis. Thanks.

[PSM]

If this was a CNN article ( actually, if it was a CNN article TS would not have posted it) we would apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the individual claims.

That's not fair, my friend. Had he not, I would have.

It takes a lot of energy to convert sea water to drinking water. But when there is a profit to be made…

It does. They want to turn the, now decommissioned, Redondo Beach power plant into a park and they shut down San Onofre without a plan to replace it. How about several co-located Nuclear and desalination plants along the coast? Think that will fly?

IMO it’s the higher taxes that will be required to fix the unfunded pensions that will ultimately break this state.

LHC

I lived there over half my life and Nancy all of her life. Do you think we moved here for the weather? Don't be a spray nozzle! ;)

(Don't worry guys, LHC gets the joke.)

Pat

[WarriorDiplomat]

Rationing is key in any socialist system they ration everything in order to redistribute, health care, energy, water? will the California ultra wealthy living in multi-million dollar homes behind walls with security become members of the Oligarchy or will they too be limited to 55 gallons per day?. What about farms in California will they be forced to dry farm like my home in southwest ks due to low aquifers and water drilling depth restrictions...would the production burden fall on the rest of the country to pick of the slack of the produce they do produce.? I wonder if his could turn into the Enron type thing with energy futures markets in which they gambled then manipulated the energy that led to deaths of people when they resisted and power miraculously became unavailable during summer months and citizens were forced to capitulate to the increased cost. For those who do not remember the California Energy Crisis of 2000-2001 in which a subsidiary of Enron corporation in which the company had invested in energy future values and in order to cover the hedged bet there was some insurance added through control of availability to raise value and cost hence producing profits in stock value.

California has had problems for a long time and given the hierarchy of requirements of survival such as in Mazlow's hierarchy of needs are becoming sanctuary cities to protect ILLEGAL immigrants, LGBTQ rights etc.....really so important in the scheme of life for California?. The fact that California elected are more concerned with these things than the states real needs just amplifies the unreal out of touch thinking of people like Pelosi, Feinstein and Kamala Harris(and they are on the senate intelligence committee?) are....my family that lives in California Modesto, Oakland and North lives are so busy getting by I don't think they really get the issues and the reps they have as well as what they do or don't do for the state.

[RCummings]

....

[mojaveman]

How about several co-located Nuclear and desalination plants along the coast? Think that will fly?


Currently eight desalination plants are projected to be built over the next decade.

[PSM]

Currently eight desalination plants are projected to be built over the next decade. :)

Where will they get the power to run them?

[The Reaper]

Where will they get the power to run them?

From outside Kalifornia, silly.

Can't have those nasty power plants contaminating the Green state, can we?

TR

[Badger52]

From outside Kalifornia, silly.

Can't have those nasty power plants contaminating the Green state, can we?

TRPesky details...
:rolleyes:

[exsquid]

Windhoek Namibia has been recycling 100% of their waste water back in to the public water supply for decades. Wonder when CA will pick up that idea?

x/S

[TOMAHAWK9521]

From outside Kalifornia, silly.

Can't have those nasty power plants contaminating the Green state, can we?

TR

Too true. Many of the gas lines coming out of the wells on the western slope of Colorado are running straight to Kalifornia so the commies don't have to disturb their green paradise. :mad:

[7624U]

I can only imagine the opening few minutes of a "sales pitch" by Governor Bill Haslam, seeking to attract business to Tennessee ...

"Well hello, company XYZ, we have a great business climate here in Tennessee.
For example, we have no state income tax.
We are a "right to work" state where unions cannot blackmail employees.
We have plentiful, inexpensive water.
We have plentiful inexpensive electricity.
We have a pro-business legislature, with a Republican "super-majority" in both
the House and the Senate.
Did I mention we have no income tax?
We have a structure protective of doctors accused of malpractice.
In most counties, you can register your car for a year for less than $80.
We have a very "Pro 2nd Amendment" legal structure, and we expect citizens
to be responsible for their actions.
Did I mention we have no income tax? Not State, Not County, Not City. None.
We will not allow you to trash the environment, but we balance the laws and
regulations of the state to strike a fair position between growth, manufacture, transportation and ecology.
Did I mention we have no income tax?
In Kalifornia, $750,000 will buy you a two bedroom hovel. In Tennessee, $750,000 will buy you an estate, with acreage."


No wonder Beretta moved here, Hankook Tire, Saturn (years ago) Volkswagen, LG, etc. etc.

"Oh, and by the way, we have a state constitutional mandate for a balanced budget, and our state
consolidated retirement system is funded at over 94% percent."

and so on.

I am so proud to be a citizen of Tennessee, and I pity those on the left coast
and other left leaning environs whose situation can only get worse.

CSB

Forgot a few, Want your Amazon delivered fast come to Tennessee we have the countries largest transportation hub and one of the largest Amazon warehouses.

Don't want to build sandbag walls to keep the Ocean out of your house ? Tennessee has lots of low priced high ground for sale.

Get fast internet the power company is offering fiber optic as a bundle service.
they don't call Chattanooga the GIGA city for nothing.