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Las Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay casino
http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-strip-shooting-20-dead-100-injured-gunman/story?id=50223240
"More than 20 people were killed and 100 injured in a horrific shooting near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas Sunday night, police said.
The "nonstop gunfire," according to one witness, sent bystanders outside the resort on the Vegas strip ducking for cover and fleeing for their lives. Tourists hid in their hotel rooms and flights headed into the McCarran International Airport airport were held elsewhere. ...."
Well that sucks.
Was shooting from the 32nd floor.
Sounds full auto on TV. WTH.
rubberneck
10-02-2017, 04:27
According to the sheriff the total is now at least 50 dead and 200 wounded. It's stomach turning.....
Latest from Reuters as of 0700 EDT. POI has been found and is being questioned.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/at-least-50-dead-more-than-200-hurt-in-las-vegas-shooting-idUSKCN1C70FU
Perp firing from the 32nd floor down onto the parking lot venue. ~ 40K persons in attendance at the concert. SWAT blew the door to his room to end it. Apparently the smoke detector went off in the perps room and that's how SWAT found the guys location. Perp had set up two firing platforms in his room and had baracaded himself in the room.
50 + killed and 200 + injured but the count will surely rise.
Wow, ladies and gentlemen...prepare to defend yourselves...
A world gone bonkers...
bandycpa
10-02-2017, 05:52
Just absolutely senseless. Prayers out to the victims and their families.
I wonder if this means hotels will start full security checks now. They may do that already, but in my little area of the world we don't.
Old Dog New Trick
10-02-2017, 06:18
Tragic and pointless.
Thoughts and prayers out to the victims.
I can't wait to hear the motive and any military affiliation. RIP for the people whose lives will change forever because of this nutcase. May he rot in ****.
bblhead672
10-02-2017, 06:47
Sickening. Prayers for victims' families and for the wounded.
Another round of wild eyed gun grabbers exploiting the tragedy to its fullest will ensue.
Definitely Full auto. Multiple reloads. >30rds at a time from what I heard from the you tube clips. Must have had multiple drums.
per Foxnews
50 killed 406 in hospital (shot?, trampled?)
perp dead. killed himself.
Old Dog New Trick
10-02-2017, 08:29
I get the AWMS, there's a lot of messed up sh!t going on around the world but, I don't get the venue? Why a country music festival?
Anyone else think this guy had a fascination with Charles Whitman?
As to the gun it's hard to tell by the way it rolled on. Automatic select/fire or belt-fed, or runaway (broken/modified sear) semi-auto? An AR built since the late 80s I believe to be impossible to do that with. There are rifles accepting 30rd mags that lend themselves to modifications but they will all run until supply is interrupted.
AWMS - Angry White Man Syndrome
Team Sergeant
10-02-2017, 08:41
Wow, ladies and gentlemen...prepare to defend yourselves...
A world gone bonkers...
No, just another spineless coward shooting innocent people.
Prayers out to those people affected by this tragedy.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims as well as the members of the Las Vegas PD.
Moving into the kill zone armed with handguns because people were in danger; well done gentlemen.
My hat is off to those that endangered themselves in an attempt to make order out of chaos.
THOSE people make me proud to be an American.
mojaveman
10-02-2017, 09:24
Another round of wild eyed gun grabbers exploiting the tragedy to its fullest will ensue.
Yep. :mad:
Prayers out for all of the fallen and wounded.
Badger52
10-02-2017, 09:27
I can't wait to hear the motive and any military affiliation.It won't matter. The political blood dance has already begun.
Old Dog New Trick
10-02-2017, 09:31
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims as well as the members of the Las Vegas PD.
Moving into the kill zone armed with handguns because people were in danger; well done gentlemen.
My hat is off to those that endangered themselves in an attempt to make order out of chaos.
THOSE people make me proud to be an American.
Well said!
rsdengler
10-02-2017, 09:50
My thoughts and prayers to all the innocent victims in this senseless tragedy. The shooter was indeed a coward, and so many people died because of his unthinkable actions. What a sad day in our country.
Agree with Box on his comments about the Las Vegas PD, always in the forefront, always there to protect those in need, and always there to face danger head on.
frostfire
10-02-2017, 10:12
Condolences for the victims and families.
I wonder how effective is the SWAT sharpshooter in such scenario.
304 m to the hotel and about 108 m high for the 32nd floor. For 304.8 m of flight path the police .308 and .223 should be adequate. 19 to 20 degrees is not really high angle. I suppose the nighttime condition (swat has NOD or thermal?) and risk of over penetration made the option non viable. Wished it was otherwise though. Even without connecting, impacts in the room would have at least delay/distract/scare the perp or hasten the self inflicted shot and lower the body count :(
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims as well as the members of the Las Vegas PD.
Moving into the kill zone armed with handguns because people were in danger; well done gentlemen.
My hat is off to those that endangered themselves in an attempt to make order out of chaos.
THOSE people make me proud to be an American.
Truly brave and selfless. Salute!
bblhead672
10-02-2017, 10:45
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims as well as the members of the Las Vegas PD.
Moving into the kill zone armed with handguns because people were in danger; well done gentlemen.
My hat is off to those that endangered themselves in an attempt to make order out of chaos.
THOSE people make me proud to be an American.
The American people are well served by those who run toward the sound of gunfire.
bblhead672
10-02-2017, 10:49
Leftists have no soul:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html
A top lawyer for CBS said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.
With the attacks on the Scouts (Boy, Girl, and Other) I think that we have dropped the ball on First Aid. Eyewitness accounts say that people were comforting people who were bleeding out instead of trying to treat them. :(
Pat
PedOncoDoc
10-02-2017, 12:25
With the attacks on the Scouts (Boy, Girl, and Other) I think that we have dropped the ball on First Aid. Eyewitness accounts say that people were comforting people who were bleeding out instead of trying to treat them. :(
Pat
Agreed, but I guess even that is better than standing there filming it all on their phones....
Leftists have no soul:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html
Has been fired.
bblhead672
10-02-2017, 13:02
Has been fired.
Probably starts working for CNN tomorrow.
PedOncoDoc
10-02-2017, 13:15
Probably starts working for CNN tomorrow.
That, or as faculty at Harvard....
Has been fired.
But, but, the First Amendment...
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Team Sergeant
10-02-2017, 14:23
With the attacks on the Scouts (Boy, Girl, and Other) I think that we have dropped the ball on First Aid. Eyewitness accounts say that people were comforting people who were bleeding out instead of trying to treat them. :(
Pat
Pat, are you an EMT, Paramedic or medic? Ever been in a mass casualty situation? Or shot at? Ever seen the dead or dying on a battlefield?
My point, I’m sure the folks there did the best they could, the best they knew how, given the situation. Very few folks on this planet are trained for that sort of situation. Boy and girl scout training is nothing compared to real training. (And yes, I was a national registered EMT.)
And I'm sure many of the folks there were in shock seeing so many dead and wounded.
Again, I'm sure they did the best they could.
Trapper John
10-02-2017, 15:25
Pat, are you an EMT, Paramedic or medic? Ever been in a mass casualty situation? Or shot at? Ever seen the dead or dying on a battlefield?
My point, I’m sure the folks there did the best they could, the best they knew how, given the situation. Very few folks on this planet are trained for that sort of situation. Boy and girl scout training is nothing compared to real training. (And yes, I was a national registered EMT.)
And I'm sure many of the folks there were in shock seeing so many dead and wounded.
Again, I'm sure they did the best they could.
TS, I think Pat does make a good point though. I didn't think he was disparaging the people doing the best that they could. But, sometimes doing the best that you could is just not good enough.
Taking his point one step further, it would probably be a good idea to include the basic first aid measures as part of the general education process. CPR is taught in YMCAs and some public school programs. Why not teach "stop the bleeding"?
YMMV
Patriot007
10-02-2017, 15:29
TS, I think Pat does make a good point though. I didn't think he was disparaging the people doing the best that they could. But, sometimes doing the best that you could is just not good enough.
Taking his point one step further, it would probably be a good idea to include the basic first aid measures as part of the general education process. CPR is taught in YMCAs and some public school programs. Why not teach "stop the bleeding"?
YMMV
Gaining traction...
https://www.dhs.gov/stopthebleed
I always heard to "control bleeding and treat for shock" and then transport ASAP.
How do you do that? Any damned way you can with whatever you have.
https://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/pdf/srgpsbleeding.pdf
TS, I think Pat does make a good point though. I didn't think he was disparaging the people doing the best that they could. But, sometimes doing the best that you could is just not good enough.
Taking his point one step further, it would probably be a good idea to include the basic first aid measures as part of the general education process. CPR is taught in YMCAs and some public school programs. Why not teach "stop the bleeding"?
YMMVMost of the people there were experiencing for the first time, a traumatic event that they have never experienced before.
You can teach CPR, BAC or whatever acronym they use nowadays, however, performing those basic tasks under fire, in a fleeing crowd of 20k people just ain't going to happen under those circumstances.
miclo18d
10-02-2017, 17:26
Most of the people there were experiencing for the first time, a traumatic event that they have never experienced before.
You can teach CPR, BAC or whatever acronym they use nowadays, however, performing those basic tasks under fire, in a fleeing crowd of 20k people just ain't going to happen under those circumstances.
I concur with guy. TCCC is not going to be trained on a mass scale and you’re not going to be carrying CATs to a country music concert. Traditional city medical procedures don’t work well in combat style environments. Triage, wound treatment, transportation. A single hospital would be overwhelmed. This is not a daily event here.
This is a tragic event and is going to get analyzed 6 ways to Sunday. Let’s mourn the dead first and analyze in a few days.
Warrior Healer
10-02-2017, 18:46
Something positive from the vegas shooting. I Imagine some of them have been in combat. They were on break from training in Nevada. Link below.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-41476327
WH
frostfire
10-02-2017, 22:20
I concur with guy. TCCC is not going to be trained on a mass scale and you’re not going to be carrying CATs to a country music concert. Traditional city medical procedures don’t work well in combat style environments. Triage, wound treatment, transportation. A single hospital would be overwhelmed. This is not a daily event here.
This is a tragic event and is going to get analyzed 6 ways to Sunday. Let’s mourn the dead first and analyze in a few days.
Concur. IIRC from the early 2000 lesson-learned JSOMTC slides, the best medicine under fire is superior fire power. When the adversary has superior position and firepower, I suppose haul ass is a reasonable option. The slides show cases from Vietnam and Iraq where the helper (two to three) ends up becoming casualties too. Many of you have seen the slides I'm sure.
I recently did a pre-deployment TCCC/MARCH and I wouldn't want any of the new trainee doing TQ under fire
Having said that, in the context of safe area i.e. after the perp self administered lethal dose of lead, I agree with Pat. It's moving to see people holding and comforting the hands of the wounded/dying, but helping them would be preferable.
BigJimCalhoun
10-03-2017, 05:05
Most of the people there were experiencing for the first time, a traumatic event that they have never experienced before.
That would describe me. I have been fortunate never to have been in this sort of situation - not even as a witness to a bad car crash. I don't know how I would react. I might be running like Dan
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4941060/Dakota-Meyer-slams-Dan-Bilzerian.html
One of my employees and her police-officer husband were at the event in LV. They left the concert a few minutes before the shooting.
Looks like the Vegas shooter did the conversion to full auto, using a cheap conversion kit called, BUMP STOCK AUTO.
You can view on you tube , for AR-15 and AK-47 series weapon.
Sold by MilitaryGunsupply.com
Looks like the Vegas shooter did the conversion to full auto, using a cheap conversion kit called, BUMP STOCK AUTO.
You can view on you tube , for AR-15 and AK-47 series weapon.
Sold by MilitaryGunsupply.com
A bump stock is not a conversion to full auto..
You have no idea what a bump stock is,,
Refrain from UN-educated comments.
Bump firing is a technique where by the shooter uses a very lose grip on the trigger hand. As the weapon recoils it jumps around on the lose grip, thus jiggling or bumping the trigger finger.
With practice one can get consistent results, BUT because of the induced sloppy vibrations, very very inaccurate fire.
The commercially available (which I believe ATF OK'd) Bump Stocks have build-in springs that piston the stock during recoil. The added sloppiness can help, but in no way does it alter or replace any parts in the trigger, sear, hammer mechanics.
PS: I do not see your introduction, it may be one of the lost. Please re-introduce yourself.
tom kelly
10-03-2017, 14:09
Prayers out to those people killed and or wounded at the concert.
GratefulCitizen
10-03-2017, 14:23
Las Vegas is the most surveilled place on Earth.
How did someone get that many weapons and that much ammo up to their room without anyone noticing?
Las Vegas is the most surveilled place on Earth.
How did someone get that many weapons and that much ammo up to their room without anyone noticing?
Grandpa (who has been there many times before) pulls up to a casino in Vegas in a little SUV...more cliche than red flag.
They probably have plenty of video - but of a couple of baggage carts and grandpa...
rubberneck
10-03-2017, 15:42
Las Vegas is the most surveilled place on Earth.
How did someone get that many weapons and that much ammo up to their room without anyone noticing?
Really? You can probably fit 6 or 7 AR's in a rolling golf club hard case, two thousand rounds and 50 thirty round mags in a large duffle bag. He'd look like every 60 something tourist in town for a golf outing and some gambling. No one would even bat an eye. You could probably make a trip back to his house to restock a couple of times over the next four or five hours.
twistedsquid
10-03-2017, 17:56
Really? You can probably fit 6 or 7 AR's in a rolling golf club hard case, two thousand rounds and 50 thirty round mags in a large duffle bag. He'd look like every 60 something tourist in town for a golf outing and some gambling. No one would even bat an eye. You could probably make a trip back to his house to restock a couple of times over the next four or five hours.
This post.
Team Sergeant
10-03-2017, 18:13
Las Vegas is the most surveilled place on Earth.
How did someone get that many weapons and that much ammo up to their room without anyone noticing?
I've done missions with up to 20 suitcases in tow, usually 5-8. Never was I questioned about how many bags I was bring into a hotel etc.
We still live in a free country.
I've done missions with up to 20 suitcases in tow, usually 5-8. Never was I questioned about how many bags I was bring into a hotel etc.
We still live in a free country.
I suddenly had a vision of TSA cattle chutes on entering hotels as a "somebody do something!" response.
Bill O'Reilly was right. It is part of the unfortunate cost of freedom.
But it would appear that saying it is now "socially illegal".
Dean Jarvis
10-03-2017, 18:47
I can't wait to hear the motive
My money says the shooter was after Trump supporters. Any takers?
Trapper John
10-03-2017, 18:54
Most of the people there were experiencing for the first time, a traumatic event that they have never experienced before.
You can teach CPR, BAC or whatever acronym they use nowadays, however, performing those basic tasks under fire, in a fleeing crowd of 20k people just ain't going to happen under those circumstances.
Don't disagree with you at all, Guy.
What I am suggesting is that safety is a personal responsibility and for that certain skills are required. I have tried to teach my kids to "be prepared". Such things like situational awareness, e.g., in a crowd always know your exit plan (PACE). Know the difference between cover and concealment. Know the basics of first aid (stop the bleeding, maintain an airway).
None of that prepares them for the trauma of a mass casualty situation, but it may just give them a framework for thinking, developing a plan, and focusing instead of panic. That may just give them a critical advantage should they ever, God-forbid, be in a Las Vegas like situation.
If these skills were a part of primary/secondary education and repeated often it could make a difference. Much better than sole reliance on first responders for our safety. Same reasoning applies to conceal carry. ;)
IMO, these life skills fall into the same category as knowing how to change a flat tire.
YMMV
Trapper John
10-03-2017, 18:56
My money says the shooter was after Trump supporters. Any takers?
I am beginning to wonder the same thing. :(
If these skills were a part of primary/secondary education and repeated often it could make a difference. Much better than sole reliance on first responders for our safety. Same reasoning applies to conceal carry. ;)
IMO, these life skills fall into the same category as knowing how to change a flat tire.
YMMV
There is no telling how many lives could be saved if more people actually knew how to do basic lifesaving techniques. Once practiced enough, hopefully some of them would subconsciously take action when necessary rather than panic and go into shutdown mode. Confidence in one's ability breeds action versus panic and non-action. That's a good point, TJ!
Old Dog New Trick
10-03-2017, 19:50
My money says the shooter was after Trump supporters. Any takers?
While this asshat will never know, but maybe he's done more good than harm. Whatever his hate filled rage was, and whatever unknown at this time or suspected affiliations might exist with anti-Trump or anti-America hate groups...one thing is foreseeable; the majority of right-minded people will not tolerate the Leftists attempts to derail or overthrow the Constitutional Republic.
This horrific tragedy may unite us against the division that very likely drove this person to commit such an unprecedented and unspeakable act.
At least one can hope.
For those that can't hope maybe he will have driven a spike through the Leftist/Socialist ideology that has poisoned our biased democracy. Time and a thorough investigation will cast light on his motivations and while altruism and ideology may have been factors behind it, his actions will not have the effect he was probably looking for.
A civil war is brewing and this is but another set of nails in the coffin. Let the revolution begin...I'm confident of the winners.
Basenshukai
10-03-2017, 19:55
This is one thing that has been weird, but has received zero mention in any media. There are various sources of amateur footage showing another firing point at about the 9th or 10th floor, near the middle of the Mandalay Bay hotel building. If you look at the video in this link https://youtu.be/435CC8cFIEM you can see this as recorded by a taxi driver. Go to about 4:57 min/sec in the video.
I compared his position using Google Earth "Street View" - which gives you access to see the entrance and exit of the Mandalay Bay one would drive it - and was able to identify the position based on the muzzle flash and the noise. It was NOT anywhere near the 32nd floor corner. It was more like on the 9th or 10th almost at the center of the building. There is another video floating around - shot by someone else - that verifies this from another vantage point. My question is, why has this been completely ignored? It's just very strange.
Did this guy begin in one hotel room and then move to another? Or, were there multiple shooters?
rubberneck
10-03-2017, 20:20
This is one thing that has been weird, but has received zero mention in any media. There are various sources of amateur footage showing another firing point at about the 9th or 10th floor, near the middle of the Mandalay Bay hotel building. If you look at the video in this link https://youtu.be/435CC8cFIEM you can see this as recorded by a taxi driver. Go to about 4:57 min/sec in the video.
I compared his position using Google Earth "Street View" - which gives you access to see the entrance and exit of the Mandalay Bay one would drive it - and was able to identify the position based on the muzzle flash and the noise. It was NOT anywhere near the 32nd floor corner. It was more like on the 9th or 10th almost at the center of the building. There is another video floating around - shot by someone else - that verifies this from another vantage point. My question is, why has this been completely ignored? It's just very strange.
Did this guy begin in one hotel room and then move to another? Or, were there multiple shooters?
I don't think that was a muzzle flash. There was a break in the sound of the gun firing, presumably when that POS was reloading yet the light kept flickering. Considering the amount of light pollution in Vegas I'd guess that's what your seeing and not a second shooter. If there was a second shooter there would have been a third shot out window for the world to see and when they showed the hotel the morning after only the two windows on the 32nd floor were shot out.
I keep hearing and reading endless comments about the amount of ammo this guy had and where he kept all of that devilish fuel for all of those evil black guns.
A basic load is 210 rounds and it fits in a couple of ammo pouches. The sandwich I take to work for lunch takes up nearly as much space as a basic load. A couple of 100 round surefire magazines dont take up much more space than a large print Gideons bible. He could have carried 500 rounds up to the desk in his shaving kit when he checked in and no one would be the wiser.
The same goes for the rifles, an old guy with a nice travel case for his golf clubs could have had the doorman tote a few guns to his room for him and the only thing on video would have been a doorman doing his job. Leave to play a few holes of golf and return later with another few guns in the case and nothing on video would have looked out of place.
This turd was a failed human being living a wasted life with plenty of time to do his task. There is far more going on than meets the eye and the continued hokum on "where he could have kept ALL of this stuff is just a distraction.
The only real questions here are 'why' and for 'who' - everything else is just kabuki theater.
This was a guy who according to his lifestyle, had no training that would have produced this result and yet, the execution seems to have been well done. Well stocked, well-placed fighting position, video equipment to help monitor his security, and lord only knows what else he had planned. Yet all anyone is worried about is how he snuck all of that ammo past a desk clerk that is probably making less than 20 bucks an hour............
Its just too bad his death did not last measurably longer than it seems to have lasted. He certinly didnt deserve a quick ending.
I keep hearing and reading endless comments about the amount of ammo this guy had and where he kept all of that devilish fuel for all of those evil black guns.
A basic load is 210 rounds and it fits in a couple of ammo pouches. The sandwich I take to work for lunch takes up nearly as much space as a basic load. A couple of 100 round surefire magazines dont take up much more space than a large print Gideons bible. He could have carried 500 rounds up to the desk in his shaving kit when he checked in and no one would be the wiser.
The same goes for the rifles, an old guy with a nice travel case for his golf clubs could have had the doorman tote a few guns to his room for him and the only thing on video would have been a doorman doing his job. Leave to play a few holes of golf and return later with another few guns in the case and nothing on video would have looked out of place.
This turd was a failed human being living a wasted life with plenty of time to do his task. There is far more going on than meets the eye and the continued hokum on "where he could have kept ALL of this stuff is just a distraction.
The only real questions here are 'why' and for 'who' - everything else is just kabuki theater.
This was a guy who according to his lifestyle, had no training that would have produced this result and yet, the execution seems to have been well done. Yet all anyone is worried about is how he snuck all of that ammo past a desk clerk that is probably making less than 20 bucks an hour............
Its just too bad his death did last measurably longer than it seems to have lasted. He certinly didnt deserve a quick ending.
Very well said.
I am no expert but It seems this sicko managed to be in perfect firing position, armed to the teeth, with all the pre-meditation in the world, yet this seems to be lost on the media.
GratefulCitizen
10-03-2017, 21:36
I've done missions with up to 20 suitcases in tow, usually 5-8. Never was I questioned about how many bags I was bring into a hotel etc.
We still live in a free country.
My question was a bit facetious.
I'm sure calls for greater surveillance and security will be forthcoming.
I've done missions with up to 20 suitcases in tow, usually 5-8. Never was I questioned about how many bags I was bring into a hotel etc.
We still live in a free country.
and I have done the same with three foot lockers, full of guns - M4s, M4s w/203s, MP5s, pistols, etc. Never asked except at the airport and then flashed an Id card and be on the way...
miclo18d
10-04-2017, 04:48
and I have done the same with three foot lockers, full of guns - M4s, M4s w/203s, MP5s, pistols, etc. Never asked except at the airport and then flashed an Id card and be on the way...
Same here.
Flew out of Raleigh as a team and checked in 10 pelican weapons cases full of weapons and NVGs, opened up for the entire airport to see, a few months after 9/11. For about 10 seconds people were like “WTF!” until they realized we were military; I assume they felt like they were on the safest flight on Earth after that.
Same at hotels. Anyone seeing us arrive or leave would think we were a 10 member band without drums or guys hauling weapons cases.
It’s not unusual. I’d be willing to bet that he could have walked into the hotel with each rifle in a rifle cover drag bag and no one would have said anything.
Ju gots ur tin foil??
from a FB friend's post,,
:mad::confused::eek::(
Ok so I know this is going to really feed the fodder to the Tin Hat wearers.
There is no way to know if these are facts.. everything is speculation.. except for the fact that I saw on CNN where they mentioned it took the shooter 9-11 mins to shoot off his rounds.
My friend brought it to my attention that the shooting took place on
Rte 91 fest on October 01
that’s 91101 ➡️ 9/11 2001
------------> Drops mic walking away
This is one thing that has been weird, but has received zero mention in any media. There are various sources of amateur footage showing another firing point at about the 9th or 10th floor, near the middle of the Mandalay Bay hotel building. If you look at the video in this link https://youtu.be/435CC8cFIEM you can see this as recorded by a taxi driver. Go to about 4:57 min/sec in the video.
I compared his position using Google Earth "Street View" - which gives you access to see the entrance and exit of the Mandalay Bay one would drive it - and was able to identify the position based on the muzzle flash and the noise. It was NOT anywhere near the 32nd floor corner. It was more like on the 9th or 10th almost at the center of the building. There is another video floating around - shot by someone else - that verifies this from another vantage point. My question is, why has this been completely ignored? It's just very strange.
Did this guy begin in one hotel room and then move to another? Or, were there multiple shooters?
I believe that video is the same I watched the other evening that was taken by a Uber driver. It was up on ZeroHedge several responses alleged that the authorities believed the flashes seen in the video were reflections strobe lights from the concert or from some where in the area.
Streck-Fu
10-04-2017, 07:20
There's no broken window at the suggested alternate firing position.
This horrific tragedy may unite us against the division that very likely drove this person to commit such an unprecedented and unspeakable act.
It has united the liberals into proclaiming this is the fault of Republicans/Conservatives/Gun Owners for not allowing a ban after Sandy Hook. Anything else and you are part of the problem.
I've got $20 dollars that this guy is a Limousine Liberal Activist that decided to act out against people he thinks are Trump supporters.
Its only been a day or so and I am fully spent listening to news about this on TV.
I want to hear news demonizing this asshole.
I want to hear this guy shamed for every single transgression he ever had.
I don't care how obscure or mundane - the media should be highlighting every single solitary fault that this lifeless sack of guts has ever exhibited.
Shame the memory of this fuckstain SO BAD that people will cringe away from this type of notoriety......
Speeding ticket in 1971 ?
...this guy has a history of driving recklessly
Returned a library book 3 days late back in 1966 ?
...irresponsible prick with a lifelong disregard for rule of law
Premature ejaculation with a 5 dollar hooker in 1972 ?
...hahahaha this punk was a three-pump-chump
Instead, I have to listen to mindless chatter about gun laws in Australia and expert testimony by a legion of "Walter Mitty" commandos as they prattle on about bump stocks and armor piercing bullets.
Lets not seek out solutions - lets keep the ratings up and advance 'the agenda'
I want to hear words like COWARD - MURDERER - LOW LIFE
instead all we get is a talking head, happily reading off the inventory list of shit found at the guys house
All the while - the same half of the political spectrum that tells us that North Korea having nukes is an existential threat that we need to get used to, is the same half of the spectrum that thinks America should disarm its citizens.
To paraphrase George Orwell, If you want a picture of what the American 'left' would do to Americas freedoms, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.....
So quoth Rahm Emmanual, "never let a good crisis go to waste"
Badger52
10-04-2017, 09:41
It has united the liberals into proclaiming this is the fault of Republicans/Conservatives/Gun Owners for not allowing a ban after Sandy Hook. Anything else and you are part of the problem.
Respectfully, they were already pre-disposed to that. The decision to jump on it probably occurred at shooting+3 seconds, and the first 2 were for jumping up from the chair with a fist-pump. Make no mistake; the true-believers among them relish this shit. You know, because, "greater good."
Team Sergeant
10-04-2017, 09:46
My money says the shooter was after Trump supporters. Any takers?
It's already beginning to look like that. Some internet sleuths have already determined he was a democrat. Others have posted pictures of him actively demonstrating in an anti-Trump rally.
The news media will not print anything like that until its shoved down their throats. They would rather blame a tool of mass murder rather than the democrat shooter.
Golf1echo
10-04-2017, 10:39
I've felt that is the 1200lb elephant in the room DJ. Had he been a Republican or had right wing leanings we would have heard everything about it. The pattern it fits is of the RESIST movement as well as the trigger to do such a heinous act similar to the attack at the softball field.
I have to say this administration has unmasked and made transparent a very large number of people and organizations that are not interested in our REPUBLIC and who work against it on a constant basis. I too tire of the petulant arguments. Box same with the astounding presentations from many under the crown...I see why they have such high quality wool! I can see why their countries have been overrun with attitudes like that.
Edit: I wouldn't be surprised to see that his so called girlfriend/wife who apparently was married to at least one other had some immigration issues? Haven't seen even a blip about that yet...things usually reveal themselves.
bblhead672
10-04-2017, 10:50
WaPo Opinion Piece from yesterday: I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?tid=ss_tw-bottom&utm_term=.65d5075e8528)
Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.
Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.
It has united the liberals into proclaiming this is the fault of Republicans/Conservatives/Gun Owners for not allowing a ban after Sandy Hook. Anything else and you are part of the problem.
An older article below (and link to the original document to which it refers) that helps explain the unified anti-gun movement - and its overly emotion driven "policy response."
Tragedy's Playbook
by Dave Kopel
America's 1st Freedom, November 2013
“Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging" is the public relations guide for anti-gun lobbyists and advocates. The more accurate title would have been, "Anti-Gun Hate Speech for Beginners."
Secretly produced in 2012 for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) lobby and its allies, it was recently discovered by gun rights supporters. The gun-ban talking points manual is filled with malicious lies about guns and gun owners, along with instructions for how the manual's readers should disseminate those lies to the public.
"Preventing Gun Violence" even has specific instructions for how to exploit mass murders. "That means emphasizing emotion over policy prescriptions," it instructs. After all, if you start talking about specific "policy prescriptions," then you have to make a credible argument that the policy might have prevented the murders. And that's usually an impossible argument to make. So, according to the playbook, it's better to emphasize emotion, and hope that the emotional aggression will pave the way for the enactment of anti-gun laws regardless of whether or not they would have done any good.
<snip>
http://davekopel.org/2A/Mags/tragedys-playbook.html
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf
Anyone else think this maniac was part of a sleeper cell and that his lady friend went to the PI to pass money back to their butt buddies in Mindanao?
I'm a suspicious old shit and I don't buy coincidences.
Anyone else think this maniac was part of a sleeper cell and that his lady friend went to the PI to pass money back to their butt buddies in Mindanao?
I'm a suspicious old shit and I don't buy coincidences.
Sounds very plausible to me.
I'd bet money that this POS was a leftist extremist hell bent on killing as many "right-wingers" as he could.
Old Dog New Trick
10-04-2017, 14:32
I'm gonna go out on limb here and say...
Of the 30+ weapons, high end scopes, high capacity mags, and all those bump stocks this guy bought this last year, and however more he's bought less recently than that...all but a few of them are brand new, never been fired.
He doesn't seem the type to become proficient in there use.
He was a coward and an addicted gambler...all the pictures of him he seems lit and under the influence of drugs or alcohol and just an overall loser.
My guess is his plan was to create as much hate and fear as possible. His targeting of a country music festival was that a majority of conservatives and Trump supporters would be the intended target and he just didn't care how many lives he destroyed in his quest to "teach us all a lesson." He knew what the outcome would be...Democrats would be eating themselves to push anti-gun legislation even though this asshat would pass every stupid "common sense" thing they can come up with.
I think it will come out through the investigation that he was a moderate lefty who with the help of his GF became a rabid anti-establishment radical as we have seen with the BLM, Antifa and the anti-Trump Leftists.
He's a well educated person who amassed great wealth in the process of living with his demons, but in the end his demons won over...he was still a coward and when it came time to face his challengers he simply decided he didn't want to play and risk spending the rest of life on death row waiting to be executed.
Don't know his motive but what motivated him was President Donald J. Trump. His stockpiling of guns in the hotel room with all sorts of legal attachments and super high capacity magazines plays right into the Anti-Gun movement. He had a plan...he thought this out and executed his plan...he could have kept firing on the helpless victims below but stopped, he could have engaged the police outside his door but chose to suck start a gun before facing that reality.
A coward all the way to the end.
Anyone see an agenda here?
JMHO
Agree ODNT - this murderer was a degenerate coward.
We will find out more in the coming weeks - the American public deserve to know.
He's a well-educated person who amassed great wealth in the process of living with his demons, but in the end, his demons won over...he was still a coward and when it came time to face his challengers he simply decided he didn't want to play and risk spending the rest of life on death row waiting to be executed.
JMHO
Well said!
I'm gonna go out on limb here and say...
Of the 30+ weapons, high end scopes, high capacity mags, and all those bump stocks this guy bought this last year, and however more he's bought less recently than that...all but a few of them are brand new, never been fired.
He doesn't seem the type to become proficient in there use.
He was a coward and an addicted gambler...all the pictures of him he seems lit and under the influence of drugs or alcohol and just an overall loser.
My guess is his plan was to create as much hate and fear as possible. His targeting of a country music festival was that a majority of conservatives and Trump supporters would be the intended target and he just didn't care how many lives he destroyed in his quest to "teach us all a lesson." He knew what the outcome would be...Democrats would be eating themselves to push anti-gun legislation even though this asshat would pass every stupid "common sense" thing they can come up with.
I think it will come out through the investigation that he was a moderate lefty who with the help of his GF became a rabid anti-establishment radical as we have seen with the BLM, Antifa and the anti-Trump Leftists.
He's a well educated person who amassed great wealth in the process of living with his demons, but in the end his demons won over...he was still a coward and when it came time to face his challengers he simply decided he didn't want to play and risk spending the rest of life on death row waiting to be executed.
Don't know his motive but what motivated him was President Donald J. Trump. His stockpiling of guns in the hotel room with all sorts of legal attachments and super high capacity magazines plays right into the Anti-Gun movement. He had a plan...he thought this out and executed his plan...he could have kept firing on the helpless victims below but stopped, he could have engaged the police outside his door but chose to suck start a gun before facing that reality.
A coward all the way to the end.
Anyone see an agenda here?
JMHO
I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with this post!
bblhead672
10-04-2017, 16:08
I'm gonna go out on limb here and say...
Of the 30+ weapons, high end scopes, high capacity mags, and all those bump stocks this guy bought this last year, and however more he's bought less recently than that...all but a few of them are brand new, never been fired.
He doesn't seem the type to become proficient in there use.
He was a coward and an addicted gambler...all the pictures of him he seems lit and under the influence of drugs or alcohol and just an overall loser.
My guess is his plan was to create as much hate and fear as possible. His targeting of a country music festival was that a majority of conservatives and Trump supporters would be the intended target and he just didn't care how many lives he destroyed in his quest to "teach us all a lesson." He knew what the outcome would be...Democrats would be eating themselves to push anti-gun legislation even though this asshat would pass every stupid "common sense" thing they can come up with.
I think it will come out through the investigation that he was a moderate lefty who with the help of his GF became a rabid anti-establishment radical as we have seen with the BLM, Antifa and the anti-Trump Leftists.
He's a well educated person who amassed great wealth in the process of living with his demons, but in the end his demons won over...he was still a coward and when it came time to face his challengers he simply decided he didn't want to play and risk spending the rest of life on death row waiting to be executed.
Don't know his motive but what motivated him was President Donald J. Trump. His stockpiling of guns in the hotel room with all sorts of legal attachments and super high capacity magazines plays right into the Anti-Gun movement. He had a plan...he thought this out and executed his plan...he could have kept firing on the helpless victims below but stopped, he could have engaged the police outside his door but chose to suck start a gun before facing that reality.
A coward all the way to the end.
Anyone see an agenda here?
JMHO
Entirely plausible. Although I wouldn't be surprised if some link to others being involved or coercion of some sort.
I'm mildly surprised there hasn't been any parallels drown to the shooter of Republican House memebers, 66 year old James Hodgkinson. Two guys in their 60's with no apparent clues before their acts, both involving planning and surprising their friends and family that they would do such a thing.
Go Devil
10-04-2017, 16:18
It's already beginning to look like that. Some internet sleuths have already determined he was a democrat. Others have posted pictures of him actively demonstrating in an anti-Trump rally.
The news media will not print anything like that until its shoved down their throats. They would rather blame a tool of mass murder rather than the democrat shooter.
I'm a taker.
Go Devil
10-04-2017, 16:21
vegas PD audio, 1st hour. 2nd hour available as well.
https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/initial-radio-traffic-las-vegasnv
Go Devil
10-04-2017, 16:23
2nd hour
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Go Devil
10-04-2017, 16:28
Video connection of left wing pinko shooter.
I saw it a few days ago and found this post today.
https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/evidence-las-vegas-attacker-anti-trump-protest.html/
Old Dog New Trick
10-04-2017, 16:43
Entirely plausible. Although I wouldn't be surprised if some link to others being involved or coercion of some sort.
I'm mildly surprised there hasn't been any parallels drown to the shooter of Republican House memebers, 66 year old James Hodgkinson. Two guys in their 60's with no apparent clues before their acts, both involving planning and surprising their friends and family that they would do such a thing.
I think the parallels will become obvious during the investigation. Don't count on the news to inform you of the truth...they will work tirelessly to obfuscate what happened and who these losers were.
As I said, there is an agenda here...
Video connection of left wing pinko shooter.
I saw it a few days ago and found this post today.
https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/evidence-las-vegas-attacker-anti-trump-protest.html/
I saw that the other day. The pic is too grainy to make any positive ID.
Here we go,,
Get your red hot tin foil..
Hotel Guest Next Door To Las Vegas Shooter Saw ‘Multiple Gunmen’ [VIDEO]
Posted on October 2, 2017 in Society | 128374 Views | Leave a response
An Australian man who was staying in the room next to the shooter in the Mandalay Bay has confirmed he witnessed multiple gunmen involved in the Las Vegas attack.
“There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Brian Hodge told Australia’s Courier-Mail.
Mr. Hodge, who was staying in room 32134, next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, also provided important information when he revealed that a security guard was killed by police.
“My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”
Who was the “security guard” who was killed by police?
http://midnightinthedesert.com/hotel-guest-next-door-las-vegas-shooter-saw-multiple-gunmen-video/
His stockpiling of guns in the hotel room with all sorts of legal attachments and super high capacity magazines plays right into the Anti-Gun movement. He had a plan...he thought this out and executed his plan...he could have kept firing on the helpless victims below but stopped, he could have engaged the police outside his door but chose to suck start a gun before facing that reality.
A coward all the way to the end.
Anyone see an agenda here?
JMHO
A good number of EBR's, ton's of Hi-Cap Mags, Bump-fire stocks, Tannerite and Ammonium Nitrate all propped up in one crazy dudes room. As agendas go this may have been a perfect storm for Gun Haters and this guy Poddock took one to further the Liberal JiHad.
And it seems to have been successful to some degree with Paul Ryan and may other Rino's running for cover because the sky is falling.
When was the "91 Fest" concert announced? Probably 6 months ago. Whatever the when, that's his planning window, his lead time. His cache of weapons at the hotel, in Mesquite, NV, house in Reno, incl ammonium nitrate, electronic surveillance planning, room location, shooting plats, no military background, a loner addicted to gambling, girlfriend sent to the PI, $100K wired to her, etc, etc all this required some fairly complex planning. I can't buy that he worked without some help. That sort of a shithead can't survive in a vacuum, and you can bet he rehearsed his shots some place. Loner my ass.
I am not ruling out he had some help. but from what ive seen I don't find it necessary for him to need help to accomplish this wholesale slaughter of our fellow Americans.
Everyone makes the assumption that this guy was a dumb ass and did not know how to use his guns because he was untrained. I would counter that he has been buying AR-15 style rifles since the late 80's and has had plenty of range time to become good enough to qualify as a sharpshooter in the Army. (not difficult)
I would also counter that he was the type of guy that would be the owner of lots of manuals on how to do things. This would give him enough information to be dangerous depending how much time he has had reading case studies of prior shootings and tactic's. After all that's all army manuals are is lessons learned from stuff that has worked before after others have paid the price in blood.
And my final point and I will shut up, people that are Crazy tend to have high intelligence they just lack other traits that make them normal. they think they are smarter then everyone else and he may have thought he could get away based on normal police response times, But when faced with the reality that he could not get away as planned. (Security guard interruption that he thought was a Vegas Cop?) He was then faced with the reality he was not as smart as he thought he was and then made a choice and we now see the results. (time will tell)
And my final point and I will shut up, people that are Crazy tend to have high intelligence they just lack other traits that make them normal. they think they are smarter then everyone else and he may have thought he could get away based on normal police response times, (time will tell)
id·i·ot sa·vant
noun
noun: idiot savant; plural noun: idiot savants; plural noun: idiots savants
a person who is considered to be mentally handicapped but displays brilliance in a specific area, especially one involving memory.
Origin French, literally translated ‘learned idiot.’
Agreed, This guy may not be the classic dictionary definition, by he looks to be close. His one area, mathematics and gambling.
The fact that he could function so long as a "normal" individual is misleading. No one was looking for the problems, or his family refused to recognize the extent to which he had slipped..
:mad:
I am not ruling out he had some help. but from what ive seen I don't find it necessary for him to need help to accomplish this wholesale slaughter of our fellow Americans.
Everyone makes the assumption that this guy was a dumb ass and did not know how to use his guns because he was untrained. I would counter that he has been buying AR-15 style rifles since the late 80's and has had plenty of range time to become good enough to qualify as a sharpshooter in the Army. (not difficult)........................
I have to agree with 7621U's take on the shooter he was crazy but he was no idiot. Anyone could be capable of causing such a massive amount of casualties all he had to do was fire into a dense crowd, he was not aiming he was pointing and we are all familiar with the term shooting fish in a barrel.
I am not ruling out he had some help. but from what ive seen I don't find it necessary for him to need help to accomplish this wholesale slaughter of our fellow Americans.
Everyone makes the assumption that this guy was a dumb ass and did not know how to use his guns because he was untrained. I would counter that he has been buying AR-15 style rifles since the late 80's and has had plenty of range time to become good enough to qualify as a sharpshooter in the Army. (not difficult)
I would also counter that he was the type of guy that would be the owner of lots of manuals on how to do things. This would give him enough information to be dangerous depending how much time he has had reading case studies of prior shootings and tactic's. After all that's all army manuals are is lessons learned from stuff that has worked before after others have paid the price in blood.
And my final point and I will shut up, people that are Crazy tend to have high intelligence they just lack other traits that make them normal. they think they are smarter then everyone else and he may have thought he could get away based on normal police response times, But when faced with the reality that he could not get away as planned. (Security guard interruption that he thought was a Vegas Cop?) He was then faced with the reality he was not as smart as he thought he was and then made a choice and we now see the results. (time will tell)
Gotta agree with a lot of this as I fit the description. No urge to climb a water tower or rent a hotel room though. No time in the military but have a lot of military manuals including Plaster's book.
I don't even think you need much in the way of marksmanship skills. Huge crowd, maybe limited exits, spry and pray rules the day.
An interesting read...
https://www.facebook.com/notes/john-ringo/a-theory-on-las-vegas/10155111388257055/
2nd hour
Thanks for those Links. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the second hour now.
From what I can pick out, they breached 2 doors, first pinko's or whatever his name was and then a second following.
Here we go,,
Get your red hot tin foil..
JJ - early in the first hour of the links that Go Devil posted, the team up on the 32nd(?) floor stated that a security guard had been shot in the leg and was standing by the elevators.
Thanks for those Links. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the second hour now.
From what I can pick out, they breached 2 doors, first pinko's or whatever his name was and then a second following?
Yes. They breached both his (murderer's) hotel room front door and a locked bedroom door inside his suite.
The following timeline was displayed on a screen during Wednesday’s press conference:
10:05 p.m. — First shots fired by the suspect. This was seen on closed circuit television from concert venue.
10:12 p.m. — First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:15 p.m. — The last shots are fired from the suspect per body worn cameras.
10:17 p.m. — The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.
10:18 p.m. — Security officer tells the LVMPD officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect’s room.
10:26-10:30 p.m. — Eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They move this way because they no longer hear the gunfire of an active shooter situation.
10:55 p.m. — Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the suspect’s room.
11:20 p.m. — The first breach was set off and officers entered the room. They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could not be accessed from their position.
11:27 p.m. — The second breach was set off allowing officers to access the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in the rooms and announced over the radio that the suspect was down.
frostfire
10-05-2017, 16:26
Yes. They breached both his (murderer's) hotel room front door and a locked bedroom door inside his suite.
The following timeline was displayed on a screen during Wednesday’s press conference:
10:05 p.m. — First shots fired by the suspect. This was seen on closed circuit television from concert venue.
10:12 p.m. — First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:15 p.m. — The last shots are fired from the suspect per body worn cameras.
10:17 p.m. — The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.
10:18 p.m. — Security officer tells the LVMPD officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect’s room.
10:26-10:30 p.m. — Eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They move this way because they no longer hear the gunfire of an active shooter situation.
10:55 p.m. — Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the suspect’s room.
11:20 p.m. — The first breach was set off and officers entered the room. They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could not be accessed from their position.
11:27 p.m. — The second breach was set off allowing officers to access the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in the rooms and announced over the radio that the suspect was down.
These truly suggest the security officer burst his complex bubble and triggered the coward mode similar to other active shooter losers.
Bravo Zulu to the security officer!
Looks like the bump stock’s future is in question. FWIW, IMHOO and worth less than 2 baht, no self respecting, budget conscious, marksman would be caught with one of those. Same thing w bump fire. Very low ROI if any to lead slinging skill. Some would argue it’s slippery slope etc, but I wouldn’t mind if the bump stock serves as sacrificial lamb to appease the somebody-do-something-now gun grabber crowd and give them illusion of victory/accomplishment
Here's a link to a 10:30-minute video (scroll to the bottom - Raymond page video) pretty much start to finish. At the end, there are guys checking for wounds and checking a tourniquet. https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/
Pat
Looks like some are taking First Aid more seriously: 'Stop the Bleeding' campaign teaches tourniquet techniques (http://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/-stop-the-bleeding-campaign-teaches-tourniquet-techniques) KGUN-TV, Tucson.
Pat
BigJimCalhoun
10-10-2017, 17:53
A woman who works for me was at the concert that night. She and her husband left so she could change into some more comfortable shoes back at the hotel. They were planning on returning, but received texts from some associates at the event telling them not to come back due to the shooting. Their friends evidently escaped or hid under the stage.
I saw this yesterday as I was walking by a TV tuned into the news conference yesterday.
the sheriff told reporters that so far there has only been a “visual inspection” done of Paddock’s brain and said that Paddock’s brain was shipped to a facility that will conduct a “microscopic analysis of the brain” to see if there were any signs of mental illness.
My question is what is the point inspecting the brain? Unless I am missing something, it seems like we are entering the realm of a dog and pony show.
CloseDanger
10-14-2017, 12:29
"what is the point inspecting the brain?"
They found a tumor in Charles Witmans - it may help to address "why"
It doesn't mitigate this heinous crime, but with the perp dead, it may be the only source available..
The Mind Of A Mass Murderer: Charles Whitman, Brain Damage, And Violence (VIDEO)
By Cara Santa Maria
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On August 1, 1966, Charles Whitman murdered his mother and his wife before traveling to the campus of the University of Texas, climbing inside the tower, and killing fourteen others. He was dubbed the infamous UT sniper, but his story involves much more than Marine Corps training and a proclivity for violence. In fact, Whitman complained of headaches and an altered mental state in the days and weeks leading up to the killings. His own suicide note read that “I do not really understand myself these days. I am supposed to be an average reasonable and intelligent young man. However, lately (I cannot recall when it started) I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts.”
Whitman knew that something was wrong. His note further reads, “After my death I wish that an autopsy would be performed on me to see if there is any visible physical disorder.” And indeed there was. Whitman was found to have a glioblastoma, a type of brain tumor, pressing against regions of the brain thought to be responsible for the regulation of strong emotions.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/mind-murderer_n_1384102.html
Thanks, that is interesting.
The link below contains a video of a gentlemen on youtube who has done some independent, acoustic forensics of the shooting. He's definitely asking the right questions IMHO.
It seems as though his math/theory is sound WRT the laws of physics.
https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI
frostfire
10-19-2017, 16:19
The link below contains a video of a gentlemen on youtube who has done some independent, acoustic forensics of the shooting. He's definitely asking the right questions IMHO.
It seems as though his math/theory is sound WRT the laws of physics.
https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI
Daggumit. Just when I ran out of aluminium foil
I want to see a control to test his postulate. Also more explanation on the signature echo and it’s impact or how he can differentiate which one is noise let alone isolate it. Finally, he should have stated that he assumed all was .223. Until there is forensic release of projectiles recovered, assumption is all he has.
I found the comments deletion disturbing though. This is some 1984 systematic censorship
Daggumit. Just when I ran out of aluminium foil
I want to see a control to test his postulate. Also more explanation on the signature echo and it’s impact or how he can differentiate which one is noise let alone isolate it. Finally, he should have stated that he assumed all was .223. Until there is forensic release of projectiles recovered, assumption is all he has.
I found the comments deletion disturbing though. This is some 1984 systematic censorship
Sorry about not providing the “tinfoil hat” caveat. :)
The link below contains a video of a gentlemen on youtube who has done some independent, acoustic forensics of the shooting. He's definitely asking the right questions IMHO.
It seems as though his math/theory is sound WRT the laws of physics.
https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI
To bad he was shooting different guns and I am sure it was all the same ammo with the exact same velocity :boohoo
https://rifleshooter.com/2014/04/223-remington5-56-nato-velocity-versus-barrel-length-a-man-his-chop-box-and-his-friends-rifle/
I saw this yesterday as I was walking by a TV tuned into the news conference yesterday.
the sheriff told reporters that so far there has only been a “visual inspection” done of Paddock’s brain and said that Paddock’s brain was shipped to a facility that will conduct a “microscopic analysis of the brain” to see if there were any signs of mental illness.
Get a roll of tinfoil.
I hear the brain went to the Dallas facility where other brains have been lost.
Team Sergeant
10-19-2017, 19:38
The link below contains a video of a gentlemen on youtube who has done some independent, acoustic forensics of the shooting. He's definitely asking the right questions IMHO.
It seems as though his math/theory is sound WRT the laws of physics.
https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI
Post one more like this and you can discuss it over at AR15.com because you will not be on this website anymore.
This is your and everyone else's only warning.
Leave the tinfoil hats at home.
Get a roll of tinfoil.
I hear the brain went to the Dallas facility where other brains have been lost.
:D
bblhead672
01-29-2019, 14:09
Las Vegas shooting still a mystery as FBI closes investigation (https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-shooting-still-a-mystery-as-fbi-closes-investigation)
Looking forward to the full, unredacted release of all of the information and evidence obtained by the FBI during the investigation. Especially the parts proving the use of bump stocks by the shooter. :D
Am I the only one seeing similarities to the OKC bombing? Especially poorly investigated second party connections to the Philippines.
tom kelly
01-30-2019, 18:47
Was this individual suffering from Schizophrenia and did he suffer a psychotic episode that caused the violence? Psychosis is a high-risk factor for violence. Dr. Seena Fazel, an Oxford University psychiatrist, and epidemiologist published a paper in PLOS Medicine that found that people with schizophrenia are five times as likely to commit violent crimes as healthy people, and almost 20 times as likely to commit homicide